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		<title>By: Just don&#8217;t say you&#8217;re &#8220;sick&#8221; &#171; Likelihood of Success</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2006/11/03/the-obsession-that-dare-not-speak-its-name/#comment-166419</link>
		<dc:creator>Just don&#8217;t say you&#8217;re &#8220;sick&#8221; &#171; Likelihood of Success</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] me, I&#8217;m not obsessed with this topic, but someone is.Â  And that&#8217;s the point, too:Â  If you leave us alone, we&#8217;ll leave you alone regarding [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] me, I&#8217;m not obsessed with this topic, but someone is.Â  And that&#8217;s the point, too:Â  If you leave us alone, we&#8217;ll leave you alone regarding [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Happy marriage in sunny California &#171; Likelihood of Success</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2006/11/03/the-obsession-that-dare-not-speak-its-name/#comment-156186</link>
		<dc:creator>Happy marriage in sunny California &#171; Likelihood of Success</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 23:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] alas, there&#8217;s not such thing any more on that blog &#8212; here&#8217;s one ), except the favoring part. The next step, of course, is the proposal in California of a constitutional amendment to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] alas, there&#8217;s not such thing any more on that blog &#8212; here&#8217;s one ), except the favoring part. The next step, of course, is the proposal in California of a constitutional amendment to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: matoko-chan</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2006/11/03/the-obsession-that-dare-not-speak-its-name/#comment-43999</link>
		<dc:creator>matoko-chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 23:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no, BR, not beneath my dignity.&lt;BR /&gt;dont have the time right now.&lt;BR /&gt;other obligations.&lt;BR /&gt;peace out!&lt;BR /&gt;;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no, BR, not beneath my dignity.<br />
<br />dont have the time right now.<br />
<br />other obligations.<br />
<br />peace out!<br />
<br />;)</p>
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		<title>By: The Black Republican</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2006/11/03/the-obsession-that-dare-not-speak-its-name/#comment-43998</link>
		<dc:creator>The Black Republican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 20:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;i think my argument would be less obtuse for u if yerr knowledge of evolution wasn&#039;t so....impoverished.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;All the more reason for you to answer my questions and add your worth to the discussion.  To say that you have the answers, but it&#039;s beneath your dignity to educate me, only serves to alienate &quot;the impoverished&quot; from your position.  Do you really want to convince me you&#039;re right, or do you only respond because you like to mock me?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>i think my argument would be less obtuse for u if yerr knowledge of evolution wasn&#8217;t so&#8230;.impoverished.</i></p>
<p>All the more reason for you to answer my questions and add your worth to the discussion.  To say that you have the answers, but it&#8217;s beneath your dignity to educate me, only serves to alienate &#8220;the impoverished&#8221; from your position.  Do you really want to convince me you&#8217;re right, or do you only respond because you like to mock me?</p>
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		<title>By: matoko-chan</title>
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		<dc:creator>matoko-chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 18:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Physics has no purpose.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;oh, martin, u r another horatio, with an impoverished philosophy.&lt;BR /&gt;u should read susskind, the father of string theory, on &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_landscape&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Landscape.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Cosmic-Landscape-String-Illusion-Intelligent/dp/0316155799&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;His book &lt;/a&gt;is an intro to the theory of darwinian evolution of universes.&lt;BR /&gt;=)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
<br />Physics has no purpose.<br />
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<p>oh, martin, u r another horatio, with an impoverished philosophy.<br />
<br />u should read susskind, the father of string theory, on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_landscape" rel="nofollow">The Landscape.</a><br />
<br /><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Cosmic-Landscape-String-Illusion-Intelligent/dp/0316155799" rel="nofollow">His book </a>is an intro to the theory of darwinian evolution of universes.<br />
<br />=)</p>
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		<title>By: Martin L. Shoemaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin L. Shoemaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 17:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Physics has no purpose. Biology has purpose.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;The idea that biology has no purpose save that which intelligent life imputes to it is a self-contradiction, since intelligent life is part of biology.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Unless, of course, you see things from a theist perspective; and if you do, then that perspective also implies purpose.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Physics has no purpose. Biology has purpose.</p>
<p>The idea that biology has no purpose save that which intelligent life imputes to it is a self-contradiction, since intelligent life is part of biology.</p>
<p>Unless, of course, you see things from a theist perspective; and if you do, then that perspective also implies purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: matoko-chan</title>
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		<dc:creator>matoko-chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 17:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and, BR, there are other measures of fitness then reps.&lt;BR /&gt;kinship, both genetic and memetic, linkage with beneficial gene complexes, etc.&lt;BR /&gt;i think my argument would be less obtuse for u if yerr knowledge of evolution wasn&#039;t so....impoverished.  =)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and, BR, there are other measures of fitness then reps.<br />
<br />kinship, both genetic and memetic, linkage with beneficial gene complexes, etc.<br />
<br />i think my argument would be less obtuse for u if yerr knowledge of evolution wasn&#8217;t so&#8230;.impoverished.  =)</p>
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		<title>By: matoko-chan</title>
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		<dc:creator>matoko-chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 16:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and, demmons, labels are part of behavioral or (my preffered)cultural evolution.&lt;BR /&gt;they are valid memetic evolution.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and, demmons, labels are part of behavioral or (my preffered)cultural evolution.<br />
<br />they are valid memetic evolution.</p>
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		<title>By: matoko-chan</title>
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		<dc:creator>matoko-chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 16:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BR, im not doing evolution 101 for u.&lt;BR /&gt;other people got my argument without problem.&lt;BR /&gt;we talk about homosexuality alla time at gene expression.&lt;BR /&gt;thass why i offered u a reading list.&lt;BR /&gt;there are many theories presented for the high frequency of homosexuals in homospaiens, which are being tested with the scientific method and published in scientific journals.&lt;BR /&gt;but none of them involve theism.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;for example, in the behavioral dimension of evolution, there is strong negative selection for homosexuality in some cultures.&lt;BR /&gt;still, homosexuality exists, arguing for the genetic or epigenetic component.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BR, im not doing evolution 101 for u.<br />
<br />other people got my argument without problem.<br />
<br />we talk about homosexuality alla time at gene expression.<br />
<br />thass why i offered u a reading list.<br />
<br />there are many theories presented for the high frequency of homosexuals in homospaiens, which are being tested with the scientific method and published in scientific journals.<br />
<br />but none of them involve theism.</p>
<p>for example, in the behavioral dimension of evolution, there is strong negative selection for homosexuality in some cultures.<br />
<br />still, homosexuality exists, arguing for the genetic or epigenetic component.</p>
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		<title>By: The Black Republican</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Black Republican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 16:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Nature is, of itself, not a producer of truths or lies, nature does what it has always done, worked...&lt;/i&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;But what if it doesn&#039;t work?  What if the mutation kills the mutant, and/or prevents it from passing that mutation to a new generation?  This is the whole basis for the theory of evolution - the &lt;b&gt;fittest&lt;/b&gt; survive, and the failures die out.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;i&gt;If you are a theist, then there is some purpose in biological principles.  There are no errors in biology... nature can be what we want it to be... Labels are the beginning of the bullshit that has thrust us into all of the problems humans have created for themselves. I&#039;m a jew, muslim, christian...blah, blah, blah...&lt;/i&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;It seems to me that you&#039;re the one injecting subjectivity into the discussion, by trying to overcompensate against what you perceive as theism through some rather rigid relativism.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Shouldn&#039;t science be objective instead of relativistic?  Whatever happened to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the scientific method&lt;/a&gt;?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Nature is, of itself, not a producer of truths or lies, nature does what it has always done, worked&#8230;</i></p>
<p>But what if it doesn&#8217;t work?  What if the mutation kills the mutant, and/or prevents it from passing that mutation to a new generation?  This is the whole basis for the theory of evolution &#8211; the <b>fittest</b> survive, and the failures die out.</p>
<p><i>If you are a theist, then there is some purpose in biological principles.  There are no errors in biology&#8230; nature can be what we want it to be&#8230; Labels are the beginning of the bullshit that has thrust us into all of the problems humans have created for themselves. I&#8217;m a jew, muslim, christian&#8230;blah, blah, blah&#8230;</i></p>
<p>It seems to me that you&#8217;re the one injecting subjectivity into the discussion, by trying to overcompensate against what you perceive as theism through some rather rigid relativism.</p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t science be objective instead of relativistic?  Whatever happened to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method" rel="nofollow">the scientific method</a>?</p>
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