Comments on: Massachusetts: Fairness, not democracy

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By: McKiernan

McKiernan — Sat, 16 Jun 2007 01:10:22 +0000

Are you going to reply Arnold or was your comment just a homily ?

By: John Eddy

John Eddy — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:25:19 +0000

And again, I don't remember you screaming bloody murder over various Republican administrations passing laws they didn't campaign on either. Somehow its only antidemocratic when its something you don't like.

Vic-

You haven't clue one what my political stances are, what I've approved of, disapproved of or (beyond the liberation of Iraq) whole-heartedly supported. In short your assertion regarding my lack of outrage is a collection of meaningless noises, devoid of any substance.

Other than the above, yeah, I see your point...

By: Robert West

Robert West — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:25:10 +0000

McKiernan: oddly, i’m not talking about bond measures. I no longer remember the specifics and am too lazy at the moment to look them up, but there was a case this decade where a measure failed in one election and an *identical measure* was put on the ballot in the following election.

“We already said no to this, *******.”

By: Ronald Coleman

Ronald Coleman — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:28:04 +0000

Let’s call it “provocatively titled”! ;-)

By: McKiernan

McKiernan — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:27:12 +0000

I think the cases where identical ballot measures are on ballots in subsequent years, despite having been defeated, are abuses. :)

You must be talking about the local school boards
endless bond measures every single election for more
$$$$$$.

By: McKiernan

McKiernan — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:15:41 +0000

Arnold,

All I can present are my views from my perspective and my experience. I know two homosexuals severely disillusioned with the gay_marriage dream.

One is now a single parent with two children to raise. And the other, is a 40 year old depressed man whose entire marriage lasted all of fourteen months that has an additional 100,000 dollar increase on his mortgage due to what can loosely be called his marriage indebtedness.

On the other hand, my relative and her partner enjoy a quiet life unencumbered by homosexual hostility from family and friends with no political agendas.

In addition, neither has abandoned their religious faith nor have complaints about their (cough) rights.

There is a saying in the I Ching:

Grace brings progress. It is advantageous to have a goal in mind only in small matters.

By: Vic Stein

Vic Stein — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:06:50 +0000

"The "elect different representatives" argument rings pretty hollow. "

I don't see how. Supporting gay marriage is something that the Democrats in Mass have in their party platform.

And again, I don't remember you screaming bloody murder over various Republican administrations passing laws they didn't campaign on either. Somehow its only antidemocratic when its something you don't like.

By: Robert West

Robert West — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:07:09 +0000

McKiernan: no, I don’t think that was abuse. I voted against it, and don’t approve, but it was not an abuse of the system, and it was perfectly legitimate.

I think the cases where identical ballot measures are on ballots in subsequent years, despite having been defeated, are abuses. :)

By: John Eddy

John Eddy — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:47:20 +0000

And just to be clear: this “Republican from birth mistruster of government” doesn’t give a rat’s ass about who or what you marry so long as it’s a marriage that carries the force of law, binds the parties in a social contract EXACTLY identical to all other legal marriages, and provides for state intervention in divorces just like breeder marriages.

Let the divorce lawyers rejoice.