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	<title>Comments on: Epitaph For Eliot Spitzer</title>
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		<title>By: mikeca</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/03/11/epitaph-for-eliot-spitzer/#comment-151499</link>
		<dc:creator>mikeca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are naive if you believe that many leaders do not have mistresses and affairs. Kennedy had mistresses and affairs. Eisenhower may or may not of had a mistress. Franklin D. Roosevelt had a mistress. 

Many current politicians have divorced their wifes and shortly after remarried. Are are you so naive as to believe they were not having an affair before they divorced?

As for the legal charges for hiding the money transfers, it is a real stretch to apply these laws to a man trying to hid the transfers from his wife. If hiding your expenses from your wife is money laundering, then we need to build a lot more prisons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are naive if you believe that many leaders do not have mistresses and affairs. Kennedy had mistresses and affairs. Eisenhower may or may not of had a mistress. Franklin D. Roosevelt had a mistress. </p>
<p>Many current politicians have divorced their wifes and shortly after remarried. Are are you so naive as to believe they were not having an affair before they divorced?</p>
<p>As for the legal charges for hiding the money transfers, it is a real stretch to apply these laws to a man trying to hid the transfers from his wife. If hiding your expenses from your wife is money laundering, then we need to build a lot more prisons.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Price</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/03/11/epitaph-for-eliot-spitzer/#comment-151435</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the US though, some people seem to think that a politicianâ€™s sex life should be the public business. &lt;/i&gt;

What about a politician&#039;s grand jury testimony?

It&#039;s a nontrivial concern.  When a married politician, esp. a President, is 
committing adultery and lying under oath about it, it creates a potential national security problem because he can then be blackmailed; there is all sorts of precedent for this happening.  Also, having an affair with a subordinate is all kinds of wrong.

Clinton should have resigned.  He had less class than Eliot Spitzer or Richard NIxon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the US though, some people seem to think that a politicianâ€™s sex life should be the public business. </i></p>
<p>What about a politician&#8217;s grand jury testimony?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a nontrivial concern.  When a married politician, esp. a President, is<br />
committing adultery and lying under oath about it, it creates a potential national security problem because he can then be blackmailed; there is all sorts of precedent for this happening.  Also, having an affair with a subordinate is all kinds of wrong.</p>
<p>Clinton should have resigned.  He had less class than Eliot Spitzer or Richard NIxon.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey NTH</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/03/11/epitaph-for-eliot-spitzer/#comment-151419</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey NTH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uriah Heep.  I don&#039;t mean the band.
Google it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uriah Heep.  I don&#8217;t mean the band.<br />
Google it.</p>
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		<title>By: urthshu</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/03/11/epitaph-for-eliot-spitzer/#comment-151410</link>
		<dc:creator>urthshu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but this case wasn&#039;t exactly about sex. if it were, i might be persuaded to agree. 

this time around its prostitution, not sex. at the rates he paid these were not crack hoes but, very possibly, sex workers for organised crime. and now they&#039;ve got his credit card #s and evidence that can ruin him. 

you don&#039;t think thats the kind of leverage that gets results? 

lets see... he closed down at least 2 prostitution rings. were they competitors to his favored ring? was he building their business, at their bidding? was that what the people of new york paid him to do?

and then you have what he may wind up being charged with - moving monies through shell companies. you and i couldn&#039;t do that, but we&#039;re to accept the governor as above the law?

no. not for one fucking minute. we are supposed to be equal before the law, and if you don&#039;t uphold that you can kiss my ass. 

shitcan this talk about this being merely about sex. its unseemly and, frankly, idiotic, shallow, dishonest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but this case wasn&#8217;t exactly about sex. if it were, i might be persuaded to agree. </p>
<p>this time around its prostitution, not sex. at the rates he paid these were not crack hoes but, very possibly, sex workers for organised crime. and now they&#8217;ve got his credit card #s and evidence that can ruin him. </p>
<p>you don&#8217;t think thats the kind of leverage that gets results? </p>
<p>lets see&#8230; he closed down at least 2 prostitution rings. were they competitors to his favored ring? was he building their business, at their bidding? was that what the people of new york paid him to do?</p>
<p>and then you have what he may wind up being charged with &#8211; moving monies through shell companies. you and i couldn&#8217;t do that, but we&#8217;re to accept the governor as above the law?</p>
<p>no. not for one fucking minute. we are supposed to be equal before the law, and if you don&#8217;t uphold that you can kiss my ass. </p>
<p>shitcan this talk about this being merely about sex. its unseemly and, frankly, idiotic, shallow, dishonest.</p>
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		<title>By: mikeca</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/03/11/epitaph-for-eliot-spitzer/#comment-151401</link>
		<dc:creator>mikeca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that prostitution laws are silly. They are  unenforceable.  It is a waste of law enforcement resources to try to enforce them. 

Who a politician&#039;s sex partners are should be a private matter between the politician and those partners (assuming they are all consenting adults). If money changes hands voluntarily, that should be a private matter also. 

In the US though, some people seem to think that a politician&#039;s sex life should be the public business. Politicians are expected to live up to certain moral standards, which are largely unrealistic. Spitzer, when he was caught red handed, decided to resign rather than face the public ridicule. Bill Clinton choose not to resign and his opponents completely overplayed their hand by trying to impeach him for it. 

William Jefferson is a whole different story, which has nothing to do with sex, and I really don&#039;t understand why he is not in jail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that prostitution laws are silly. They are  unenforceable.  It is a waste of law enforcement resources to try to enforce them. </p>
<p>Who a politician&#8217;s sex partners are should be a private matter between the politician and those partners (assuming they are all consenting adults). If money changes hands voluntarily, that should be a private matter also. </p>
<p>In the US though, some people seem to think that a politician&#8217;s sex life should be the public business. Politicians are expected to live up to certain moral standards, which are largely unrealistic. Spitzer, when he was caught red handed, decided to resign rather than face the public ridicule. Bill Clinton choose not to resign and his opponents completely overplayed their hand by trying to impeach him for it. </p>
<p>William Jefferson is a whole different story, which has nothing to do with sex, and I really don&#8217;t understand why he is not in jail.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Price</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/03/11/epitaph-for-eliot-spitzer/#comment-151375</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too think Spitzer showed a lot of class by resigning quickly.  Several other high profile politicians, such as Bill Clinton and William Jefferson, have not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too think Spitzer showed a lot of class by resigning quickly.  Several other high profile politicians, such as Bill Clinton and William Jefferson, have not.</p>
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		<title>By: urthshu</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/03/11/epitaph-for-eliot-spitzer/#comment-151373</link>
		<dc:creator>urthshu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quick turnaround, mikeca. what changed your mind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quick turnaround, mikeca. what changed your mind?</p>
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		<title>By: mikeca</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/03/11/epitaph-for-eliot-spitzer/#comment-151371</link>
		<dc:creator>mikeca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Spitzer showed a lot of class by resigning quickly. Several other high profile politicians, such as David Vitter and Larry Craig, have not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Spitzer showed a lot of class by resigning quickly. Several other high profile politicians, such as David Vitter and Larry Craig, have not.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Barnes</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/03/11/epitaph-for-eliot-spitzer/#comment-151370</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually give credit to Spitzer for resigning promptly, and not trying to brazen the thing out -- ahem, like some other folks have done  in the past. That leads to a lotta collateral damage.

The man is only 48.  He did a stupid thing (or lead a stupid lifestyle), but it is not irrevocable. I do hope he heals his family wounds, and spends a few years squaring himself away.

I think the American people do forgive, if you fess up squarely, and let time work its magic.

Who knows? Maybe, we&#039;ll hear from him again in 5-10 years.

HankB

HankB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually give credit to Spitzer for resigning promptly, and not trying to brazen the thing out &#8212; ahem, like some other folks have done  in the past. That leads to a lotta collateral damage.</p>
<p>The man is only 48.  He did a stupid thing (or lead a stupid lifestyle), but it is not irrevocable. I do hope he heals his family wounds, and spends a few years squaring himself away.</p>
<p>I think the American people do forgive, if you fess up squarely, and let time work its magic.</p>
<p>Who knows? Maybe, we&#8217;ll hear from him again in 5-10 years.</p>
<p>HankB</p>
<p>HankB</p>
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		<title>By: zach.</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/03/11/epitaph-for-eliot-spitzer/#comment-151368</link>
		<dc:creator>zach.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M. Scott,

why can&#039;t HRC criticize Spitzer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M. Scott,</p>
<p>why can&#8217;t HRC criticize Spitzer?</p>
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