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	<title>Comments on: David Mamet On Politics</title>
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		<title>By: Kevin D.</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/03/12/david-mamet-on-politics/#comment-151460</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished reading the entire essay and I like it.  I was unaware of the similarities between Bush and Kennedy.  However, I think, that Mamet was describing the leftist &lt;i&gt;opinion&lt;/i&gt; of Bush and comparing it against Kennedy&#039;s real history rather than saying Bush actually did all those things - which is provably false.

And I&#039;ve always disagreed with the liberal view that all people a basically good.  So, I was pleased to read:
&lt;blockquote&gt;And, I wondered, how could I have spent decades thinking that I thought everything was always wrong at the same time that I thought I thought that people were basically good at heart? Which was it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Which was it indeed!  You can&#039;t believe that, for example, Bush is a lying monster &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; all people are basically good at heart.  I was also pleased to read that Mamet agreed with me on the Founding Father&#039;s reasoning for the separation of powers.  And I&#039;d ask, if all people were basically good why would that separation be necessary?

Like the right, &quot;mooing about faith,&quot; I find my answer in my faith.  People are &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; basically good.  I think Mamet would say they&#039;re essentially decent and I&#039;d say what we accept as decent is only the product of a system that assumes people are essentially indecent and is designed to check those baser tendencies.  To ensure that the indecent are continually fighting with one another for primacy.  That way, knowing that we&#039;re not going to get all that we want (to frak the other guy over for our own benefit without consequence), sometimes a genuine good may be produced.  

Of course, I readily admit, this is a rather bleak outlook on society but I think if it&#039;s not the most realistic, it&#039;s at least the safest.

Assume you&#039;re going to be mugged and you&#039;re going to take precautions against it.  That way, if it occurs you&#039;re ready and if it doesn&#039;t let no one fault you for being paranoid.  Their skin isn&#039;t on the line - yours is - so who cares what they have to say anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished reading the entire essay and I like it.  I was unaware of the similarities between Bush and Kennedy.  However, I think, that Mamet was describing the leftist <i>opinion</i> of Bush and comparing it against Kennedy&#8217;s real history rather than saying Bush actually did all those things &#8211; which is provably false.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ve always disagreed with the liberal view that all people a basically good.  So, I was pleased to read:</p>
<blockquote><p>And, I wondered, how could I have spent decades thinking that I thought everything was always wrong at the same time that I thought I thought that people were basically good at heart? Which was it?</p></blockquote>
<p>Which was it indeed!  You can&#8217;t believe that, for example, Bush is a lying monster <i>and</i> all people are basically good at heart.  I was also pleased to read that Mamet agreed with me on the Founding Father&#8217;s reasoning for the separation of powers.  And I&#8217;d ask, if all people were basically good why would that separation be necessary?</p>
<p>Like the right, &#8220;mooing about faith,&#8221; I find my answer in my faith.  People are <i>not</i> basically good.  I think Mamet would say they&#8217;re essentially decent and I&#8217;d say what we accept as decent is only the product of a system that assumes people are essentially indecent and is designed to check those baser tendencies.  To ensure that the indecent are continually fighting with one another for primacy.  That way, knowing that we&#8217;re not going to get all that we want (to frak the other guy over for our own benefit without consequence), sometimes a genuine good may be produced.  </p>
<p>Of course, I readily admit, this is a rather bleak outlook on society but I think if it&#8217;s not the most realistic, it&#8217;s at least the safest.</p>
<p>Assume you&#8217;re going to be mugged and you&#8217;re going to take precautions against it.  That way, if it occurs you&#8217;re ready and if it doesn&#8217;t let no one fault you for being paranoid.  Their skin isn&#8217;t on the line &#8211; yours is &#8211; so who cares what they have to say anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: M.Janelle</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/03/12/david-mamet-on-politics/#comment-151447</link>
		<dc:creator>M.Janelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Mr. Esmay said, &quot; Iâ€™ve had my mind changed on more things than I can count anymore.&quot;

Maybe that is why so many people really likee to read what you have to say ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Mr. Esmay said, &#8221; Iâ€™ve had my mind changed on more things than I can count anymore.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe that is why so many people really likee to read what you have to say ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey NTH</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/03/12/david-mamet-on-politics/#comment-151418</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey NTH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>urthshu, the civil service is made up of us poor, falible humans.  The fact that it works so well here in the United States, Canada, and the rest of the West, is something many do not acknowledge.

My sister in law is Colombian, and she has expressed both marvel and frustration - marveling why it works so well here and frustrated on why it works so poorly at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>urthshu, the civil service is made up of us poor, falible humans.  The fact that it works so well here in the United States, Canada, and the rest of the West, is something many do not acknowledge.</p>
<p>My sister in law is Colombian, and she has expressed both marvel and frustration &#8211; marveling why it works so well here and frustrated on why it works so poorly at home.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey NTH</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/03/12/david-mamet-on-politics/#comment-151417</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey NTH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All kidding aside, Dean your description of libertarian-conservatism is another example of the tensions of power Mamet was describing.  Not only the tension between three branches of government, but aslo keeping up the tension between differnt areas such as church, socialorganizations,etc.

Letting one group dominate the others leaves less liberty for anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All kidding aside, Dean your description of libertarian-conservatism is another example of the tensions of power Mamet was describing.  Not only the tension between three branches of government, but aslo keeping up the tension between differnt areas such as church, socialorganizations,etc.</p>
<p>Letting one group dominate the others leaves less liberty for anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey NTH</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/03/12/david-mamet-on-politics/#comment-151416</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey NTH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former camp counselor, I found that manipulating the kids into doing what I wanted done by making them think it was what they wanted to do, was far more effective and more conserving of my energy.

Of course, there were still the little thugs that needed to be squashed, but at least I had the energy left to do that without worrying about the rest of the kids.

Base your structure on the material you are working with, and things go a lot better.  Sounds like Mr. Mamet learned that late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former camp counselor, I found that manipulating the kids into doing what I wanted done by making them think it was what they wanted to do, was far more effective and more conserving of my energy.</p>
<p>Of course, there were still the little thugs that needed to be squashed, but at least I had the energy left to do that without worrying about the rest of the kids.</p>
<p>Base your structure on the material you are working with, and things go a lot better.  Sounds like Mr. Mamet learned that late.</p>
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		<title>By: Dishman</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/03/12/david-mamet-on-politics/#comment-151411</link>
		<dc:creator>Dishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an interesting perspective on liberalism.  Maybe my eyes have been opened a bit.

I&#039;d generally been thinking that liberals were heavily &quot;emo&quot;, or maybe engaging in theatrics so nobody would notice their self-supposedly defective souls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an interesting perspective on liberalism.  Maybe my eyes have been opened a bit.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d generally been thinking that liberals were heavily &#8220;emo&#8221;, or maybe engaging in theatrics so nobody would notice their self-supposedly defective souls.</p>
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		<title>By: mikeca</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/03/12/david-mamet-on-politics/#comment-151405</link>
		<dc:creator>mikeca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But itâ€™s always interesting to see people whoâ€™ve changed their minds. Iâ€™ve had my mind changed on more things than I can count anymore.&quot;

A person who never changes his mind, is a person who has stopped learning, is a closed mined ideologue, or is dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But itâ€™s always interesting to see people whoâ€™ve changed their minds. Iâ€™ve had my mind changed on more things than I can count anymore.&#8221;</p>
<p>A person who never changes his mind, is a person who has stopped learning, is a closed mined ideologue, or is dead.</p>
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		<title>By: urthshu</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/03/12/david-mamet-on-politics/#comment-151402</link>
		<dc:creator>urthshu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it isn&#039;t washington that runs the country anyways. its the civil service. unelected, cynical, corrupt, and running all your lives...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it isn&#8217;t washington that runs the country anyways. its the civil service. unelected, cynical, corrupt, and running all your lives&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Martin L. Shoemaker</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/03/12/david-mamet-on-politics/#comment-151400</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin L. Shoemaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;After that Michael Bay is gonna swing by and weâ€™re gonna blow some shit up while riding velociraptors equipped with lasers and rocket launchers. Optimus Prime might stop by and bring some of his Autobot friends too. But that bit isnâ€™t certain.&quot;

Special effects bore me. Give me a good story!

(Hey, that&#039;s almost on topic. Mr. Mamet&#039;s work is story-rich.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;After that Michael Bay is gonna swing by and weâ€™re gonna blow some shit up while riding velociraptors equipped with lasers and rocket launchers. Optimus Prime might stop by and bring some of his Autobot friends too. But that bit isnâ€™t certain.&#8221;</p>
<p>Special effects bore me. Give me a good story!</p>
<p>(Hey, that&#8217;s almost on topic. Mr. Mamet&#8217;s work is story-rich.)</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/03/12/david-mamet-on-politics/#comment-151398</link>
		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;in the abstract, we may envision an Olympian perfection of perfect beings in Washington doing the business of their employers&quot;...one of the things that has always struck me about liberals/progressives is that they tend to perceive government as an idealized parent-image, rather than as something made up of individuals who have their own interests to pursue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;in the abstract, we may envision an Olympian perfection of perfect beings in Washington doing the business of their employers&#8221;&#8230;one of the things that has always struck me about liberals/progressives is that they tend to perceive government as an idealized parent-image, rather than as something made up of individuals who have their own interests to pursue.</p>
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