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You know, we used to have freedom of thought in this country.

Good post — don’t get too bogged down with silliness from Aziz.

Back to your central point:

Q1. Is is a good idea for Democrat President Jimmy Carter to meet with Hamas?

A1: Hell No. Hamas is a terrorist organization

Q2: Will Jews who support Israel and recognize the folly and presumptiousness of meeting with Hamas frown upon this meeting?

A2: Hell yes. Jimmy Carter should butt out. The guy’s a menace.

Q3: Will this act of private, meddling, foreign policy cause Jews to move from the Dem camp to the GOP camp?

A3: It might. Joe Lieberman has kinda moved that way (at least on the Iraq issues.)

Within the Jewish community, I have anecdotally found that the more observant, the more likely to vote GOP, the less observant the less likely. The latter group seems much more plentiful than the former group.

HankB

But you arent an american jew and so you cant argue that your position is the natural one.

And neither are you. Besides, what makes arguments “natural” anyway? Do you have to be gay to support gay rights? Do you have to be Tibetan to have an opinion on human rights there? You aren’t a woman; so I guess you have to remain silent on abortion, breast cancer and other gender issues, huh? That’s pretty lame considering what you say next…

You arent credible as an opinion within the jewish community about whether the Dems are good for American jews.

Excuse me but you are an American Muslim; yet you claim to know how Jews think? Wow… So… What exactly makes your opinion more credible than mine?

But the vibe you gave off was “duh wtf yo american jews join the GOP already” as if it were a slam dunk. Its not.

Those are your words; not mine.

It’s clear that you have some sort of chip on your shoulder that you felt you needed to jump into action and defend Obama and attack my credibility first, by attributing a position that I didn’t take (Obama as anti-semite), then by stating that I can’t be credible because I’m not a Jew, and finally because I’m a “partisan Republican.”

Well gee, you finally got one right – although I’m not sure how partisan I can be considering I’ve written on this site that I could live with a Clinton back in office.

WTF has happened to you?

There are people who say “Let’s Try It Again.” Call ‘em Group Two.

Between those two camps are a whole bunch of people (call ‘em Group Three) who aren’t interested in signing up for “Let’s Try It Again,” but who aren’t sure that some of the things Israel does contribute positively to advancing the cause of “Never Again”…

…or who (call ‘em Group Four) believe that “Never Again” is really no longer relevant, given the Enlightened and Civilitized Times, post-Revolution in Human Nature (picture old Ken rolling his eyes clean out of his head) in Which We Live.

I have no truck at all with Group Two. I have some sympathy for Group Three, because I’m no expert in these matters and it is nearly always possible to be wrong. I pray that Group Four’s wake-up call isn’t traumatic…

…but I make my stand with Group One.

Never Again.

Ken Hall’s last blog post..Not a whole lot like a tundish, it turns out…

One day this line of argument will go to where it belongs: The trash.

Either one speaks the truth, or not, or a combination.

And I will let you all in on a little secret: No one knows exactly why American Jews vote the way they do, even, not surprisingly, American Jews. All have a logical right to form an opinion on the matter, and all are subject to being wrong.

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You argue that the Dems are “sliding away from Israel” and this is nonsense. I know the GOPs wet dream is to entice American Jews en masse to their side but the simple truths are 1. israel is not the be-all, end-all of American jewish identity, and 2. american jews are not unified as a bloc on their opinion about the israeli conflict. Couple that with the very, very thin reed about Obama’s supposed anti-semitic confidantes and you have no case whatesoever.

You come across as a Republican – which is fine – arguing that a political group should accept your spin and join your team. Also fine.

But you arent an american jew and so you cant argue that your position is the natural one. You arent credible as an opinion within the jewish community about whether the Dems are good for American jews. You are credible as a Republicna partisan, who makes a case for american jews to switch loyalties, but thats not the tone I thought you wrte your post in. If that was your intended tone, then I apologize for misreading you. But the vibe you gave off was “duh wtf yo american jews join the GOP already” as if it were a slam dunk. Its not.

argiung that obama or clinton are less proisrael thanm mccain is nonsense. All three are identical. If anything, the american jews I talk to and read regularly argue that obama and clinton are better, because they will reengage the peace process, whereas the GOP has largely let it drift unattended during Bush’s administration.

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