Comments on: How bad is bad? http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/14/how-bad-is-bad/ Defending the liberal tradition in history, science, and philosophy. Mon, 21 May 2012 11:55:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Naftali http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/14/how-bad-is-bad/#comment-154208 Naftali Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:05:39 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/14/how-bad-is-bad/#comment-154208 Detroit, I actually lived in/near Southfield for a year, 8 years ago. would you mind shooting me an E-mail at naftalimi@gmail.com? Detroit,

I actually lived in/near Southfield for a year, 8 years ago. would you mind shooting me an E-mail at naftalimi@gmail.com?

]]> By: detroitVB http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/14/how-bad-is-bad/#comment-154187 detroitVB Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:56:54 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/14/how-bad-is-bad/#comment-154187 Require that the judge's wife and daughters spend 24 hours alone with the fiend. Likewise the lawyer who defended this trash. Also require all liberals to get mugged. Better yet - seperate sex transportation!! Nothing is worse than unmarried to each other men and women mingling. It leads to problem after problem. Keep them far apart. I mean it. Require that the judge’s wife and daughters spend 24 hours alone with the fiend. Likewise the lawyer who defended this trash. Also require all liberals to get mugged.

Better yet – seperate sex transportation!! Nothing is worse than unmarried to each other men and women mingling. It leads to problem after problem. Keep them far apart. I mean it.

]]> By: John_B http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/14/how-bad-is-bad/#comment-154181 John_B Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:03:47 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/14/how-bad-is-bad/#comment-154181 No, physical contact, other than purely accidental and fleeting, is pretty easy to identify as battery. Spitting assuredly is and I don't see it as a stretch at all. Personally, I'd rather take a punch than have some unknown spewing his phlegm on me. Same with blood or other bodily fluids. I'd consider the punch far less dangerous to my health. No, physical contact, other than purely accidental and fleeting, is pretty easy to identify as battery. Spitting assuredly is and I don’t see it as a stretch at all.

Personally, I’d rather take a punch than have some unknown spewing his phlegm on me. Same with blood or other bodily fluids. I’d consider the punch far less dangerous to my health.

]]> By: Dean Esmay http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/14/how-bad-is-bad/#comment-154130 Dean Esmay Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:58:35 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/14/how-bad-is-bad/#comment-154130 Not to be argumentative, but does the law really define "unwanted touching" as battery? I mean, I know it's been stretched to include things like spitting at people, and that just making threatening gestures can be construed as assault in the courts, but isn't that more of an "I'll know it when I see it" for the judge to sort out, rather than a hard rule? Not to be argumentative, but does the law really define “unwanted touching” as battery? I mean, I know it’s been stretched to include things like spitting at people, and that just making threatening gestures can be construed as assault in the courts, but isn’t that more of an “I’ll know it when I see it” for the judge to sort out, rather than a hard rule?

]]> By: John_B http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/14/how-bad-is-bad/#comment-154128 John_B Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:52:32 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/14/how-bad-is-bad/#comment-154128 Ron: This guy is committing the offense of battery when he rubs up against a woman in the subway. 'Frottage' doesn't work without the physical contact. Unwanted, intentional physical contact is one of the definitions of 'battery', for which adequate laws already exist. I don't really see the need to institute a new crime because his actions may have a sexual (for him) element. It doesn't really matter <em>why</em> he's making contact; he's making illegal contact. Ron: This guy is committing the offense of battery when he rubs up against a woman in the subway. ‘Frottage’ doesn’t work without the physical contact. Unwanted, intentional physical contact is one of the definitions of ‘battery’, for which adequate laws already exist.

I don’t really see the need to institute a new crime because his actions may have a sexual (for him) element. It doesn’t really matter why he’s making contact; he’s making illegal contact.

]]> By: Naftali http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/14/how-bad-is-bad/#comment-154124 Naftali Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:53:16 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/14/how-bad-is-bad/#comment-154124 "Is it ‘vigilantism’ when kid punches a bully in the nose? Yes, of course. In my school we seek to ensure that he does not have to do so. The second example is a bit more complicated. “Is it ‘vigilantism’ when kid punches a bully in the nose?

Yes, of course.

In my school we seek to ensure that he does not have to do so.

The second example is a bit more complicated.

]]> By: Mary Madigan http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/14/how-bad-is-bad/#comment-154119 Mary Madigan Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:09:39 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/14/how-bad-is-bad/#comment-154119 <i>So if you wish the people not to descend into tribalism and lawlessness, you would have to stop advocating ‘take care of it yourself’ for an official government law enforcement policy.</i> Oh for pity's sake. Is it 'vigilantism' when a kid punches a bully in the nose? Is it vigilantism when a customer who has been cheated goes to a store and demands his money back (and gets it) Functioning human beings have the right to defend themselves and take care of their needs without the constant intervention of authorities. If we rely on authorities to protect us in every situation, our ability to provide for our own needs will fade. Pretty soon, we'll lack the survival skills of a simple ameoba. We'll be Europeans. You don't want that to happen, do you? So if you wish the people not to descend into tribalism and lawlessness, you would have to stop advocating ‘take care of it yourself’ for an official government law enforcement policy.

Oh for pity’s sake. Is it ‘vigilantism’ when a kid punches a bully in the nose? Is it vigilantism when a customer who has been cheated goes to a store and demands his money back (and gets it)

Functioning human beings have the right to defend themselves and take care of their needs without the constant intervention of authorities. If we rely on authorities to protect us in every situation, our ability to provide for our own needs will fade. Pretty soon, we’ll lack the survival skills of a simple ameoba. We’ll be Europeans. You don’t want that to happen, do you?

]]> By: Naftali http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/14/how-bad-is-bad/#comment-154116 Naftali Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:15:16 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/14/how-bad-is-bad/#comment-154116 "I agree with maggie, personal action is required. The old yell “Masher!” purse-across-the-face routine would probably work well. I certainly don’t think we need to criminalize every man who bumps into a woman on the subway to handle goons like this." That's called vigilantism, which I am strongly in favor of when the government fails to enforce order, its foremost function. But vigilantism as a law enforcement policy is flawed; I simply don't want my wife to have to worry about rabid dogs who cannot live amongst men as men do. Because ,ultimately, that burden commands certain personal resources, making her and everyone one else that much less productive. Also, vigilantism in practice never, ultimately, adheres to the moralistic standards of deterrence held to by modern men. So if you wish the people not to descend into tribalism and lawlessness, you would have to stop advocating 'take care of it yourself' for an official government law enforcement policy. “I agree with maggie, personal action is required. The old yell “Masher!” purse-across-the-face routine would probably work well. I certainly don’t think we need to criminalize every man who bumps into a woman on the subway to handle goons like this.”

That’s called vigilantism, which I am strongly in favor of when the government fails to enforce order, its foremost function.

But vigilantism as a law enforcement policy is flawed; I simply don’t want my wife to have to worry about rabid dogs who cannot live amongst men as men do. Because ,ultimately, that burden commands certain personal resources, making her and everyone one else that much less productive.

Also, vigilantism in practice never, ultimately, adheres to the moralistic standards of deterrence held to by modern men.

So if you wish the people not to descend into tribalism and lawlessness, you would have to stop advocating ‘take care of it yourself’ for an official government law enforcement policy.

]]> By: bcostin http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/14/how-bad-is-bad/#comment-154111 bcostin Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:04:36 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/14/how-bad-is-bad/#comment-154111 I agree with maggie, personal action is required. The old yell "Masher!" purse-across-the-face routine would probably work well. I certainly don't think we need to criminalize every man who bumps into a woman on the subway to handle goons like this. <em>bcostin's last blog post..<a href='http://bcostin.wordpress.com/2008/04/09/we-need-more-white-people/' rel="nofollow">?We need more white people.?</a></em> I agree with maggie, personal action is required. The old yell “Masher!” purse-across-the-face routine would probably work well. I certainly don’t think we need to criminalize every man who bumps into a woman on the subway to handle goons like this.

bcostin’s last blog post..?We need more white people.?

]]> By: Naftali http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/14/how-bad-is-bad/#comment-154107 Naftali Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:15:34 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/14/how-bad-is-bad/#comment-154107 "Here in my home town a little over a week ago a guy was finally deemed “sexually violent” after 15 years of repeat offenses. Worse, three were against young 12, 14 and 15 yr old girls. One he got pregnant." It sounds as though it would have been better had we had the prudent and effective apparatus to extinguish those vibes when they had previously expressed themselves in real crime. But hearing can be deceiving. “Here in my home town a little over a week ago a guy was finally deemed “sexually violent” after 15 years of repeat offenses. Worse, three were against young 12, 14 and 15 yr old girls. One he got pregnant.”

It sounds as though it would have been better had we had the prudent and effective apparatus to extinguish those vibes when they had previously expressed themselves in real crime.

But hearing can be deceiving.

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