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	<title>Comments on: How to lower gasoline costs with a boycott</title>
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		<title>By: B. Durbin</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/17/how-to-lower-gasoline-costs-with-a-boycott/#comment-154422</link>
		<dc:creator>B. Durbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ethanol is functionally a loser as an alternative energy sourceâ€” if we make it from corn. The other day  my mother mentioned that you can make ethanol from cellulose. For example, you could make ethanol from kudzu.

I can see that one. :)

(Incidentally, when we got our car two years ago I mentioned that one of my requirements was a decent mileage, so we have a six-seat crossover that gets at least 23 miles to the gallon. I don&#039;t see why people have accepted less than 20 mpg... that just seems silly to me.)

&lt;em&gt;B. Durbin&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://librasimplex.blogspot.com/2008/03/resucito.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Resucito&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ethanol is functionally a loser as an alternative energy sourceâ€” if we make it from corn. The other day  my mother mentioned that you can make ethanol from cellulose. For example, you could make ethanol from kudzu.</p>
<p>I can see that one. :)</p>
<p>(Incidentally, when we got our car two years ago I mentioned that one of my requirements was a decent mileage, so we have a six-seat crossover that gets at least 23 miles to the gallon. I don&#8217;t see why people have accepted less than 20 mpg&#8230; that just seems silly to me.)</p>
<p><em>B. Durbin&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://librasimplex.blogspot.com/2008/03/resucito.html' rel="nofollow">Resucito</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Maniakes</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/17/how-to-lower-gasoline-costs-with-a-boycott/#comment-154382</link>
		<dc:creator>Maniakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 01:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, resources do become too scarce for their primary purposes and we find either a better way of getting it or we find a workable substitutes, and there are plenty of potential substitutes for oil if the price stays up (fission, solar, coal, etc).

In the very long run, there&#039;s the heat death of the universe to worry about, but that&#039;s mind-bogglingly far away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, resources do become too scarce for their primary purposes and we find either a better way of getting it or we find a workable substitutes, and there are plenty of potential substitutes for oil if the price stays up (fission, solar, coal, etc).</p>
<p>In the very long run, there&#8217;s the heat death of the universe to worry about, but that&#8217;s mind-bogglingly far away.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul S.</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/17/how-to-lower-gasoline-costs-with-a-boycott/#comment-154362</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I predict we will never run out of oil.  Can anyone name one natural resource that we have ever used up?

As supply dwindles, prices will go up making alternative options more attractive.

Julian Simon argued that the most renewable resource of all is human creativity.  In fact, no resources are &quot;natural.&quot;  I don&#039;t think American Indians found petroleum useful, probably the dark, thick, smelly stuff that bubbled up in watering holes was more of a nuisance.  Petroleum did not become a resource until it was combined with human creativity and used to satisfy our needs and desires.

So, as oil continues to go up in price, so does the financial incentive to put human ingenuity to work and come up with an efficient alternative.  

Am I overly optimistic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I predict we will never run out of oil.  Can anyone name one natural resource that we have ever used up?</p>
<p>As supply dwindles, prices will go up making alternative options more attractive.</p>
<p>Julian Simon argued that the most renewable resource of all is human creativity.  In fact, no resources are &#8220;natural.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t think American Indians found petroleum useful, probably the dark, thick, smelly stuff that bubbled up in watering holes was more of a nuisance.  Petroleum did not become a resource until it was combined with human creativity and used to satisfy our needs and desires.</p>
<p>So, as oil continues to go up in price, so does the financial incentive to put human ingenuity to work and come up with an efficient alternative.  </p>
<p>Am I overly optimistic?</p>
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		<title>By: foobarista</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/17/how-to-lower-gasoline-costs-with-a-boycott/#comment-154329</link>
		<dc:creator>foobarista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup - about the only tax increase I support is a fairly big gas-price tax hike, ie something like $1&gt;gal or more.  I&#039;d offset it by a front-loaded payroll tax reduction.

Frankly, I&#039;d much rather see this done than some silly CO2 cap&amp;trade corporate welfare scheme.  (Not that I&#039;m into AGW, but reducing oil imports is a good thing by itself, and much of the dollar weakness is due to us buying oil.)

Gas needs to stay expensive, and over time - it&#039;ll take decades - habits and infrastructure will change. 

Voluntary conservation is a nice thing, but it won&#039;t do much for very long.  China and India are consuming far more and growing in consumption far more rapidly than we can conserve.

&lt;em&gt;foobarista&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://foobarista.blogspot.com/2008/03/annoying-faux-official-sales-pitches.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Annoying &quot;faux-official&quot; sales pitches&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup &#8211; about the only tax increase I support is a fairly big gas-price tax hike, ie something like $1&gt;gal or more.  I&#8217;d offset it by a front-loaded payroll tax reduction.</p>
<p>Frankly, I&#8217;d much rather see this done than some silly CO2 cap&amp;trade corporate welfare scheme.  (Not that I&#8217;m into AGW, but reducing oil imports is a good thing by itself, and much of the dollar weakness is due to us buying oil.)</p>
<p>Gas needs to stay expensive, and over time &#8211; it&#8217;ll take decades &#8211; habits and infrastructure will change. </p>
<p>Voluntary conservation is a nice thing, but it won&#8217;t do much for very long.  China and India are consuming far more and growing in consumption far more rapidly than we can conserve.</p>
<p><em>foobarista&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://foobarista.blogspot.com/2008/03/annoying-faux-official-sales-pitches.html' rel="nofollow">Annoying &#8220;faux-official&#8221; sales pitches</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Punning Pundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Punning Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Carpooling, mass transit, and human-powered transit arenâ€™t as fast or convenient as driving your own car.&quot;

Depends where you live.  In areas with good transit systems (Like SF-- where I live, and DC-- where I lived for a bit of last year), driving can be the less convenient, slower option.  

Let me tell you how much more I enjoy my commute to work now that I can use that time to read...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Carpooling, mass transit, and human-powered transit arenâ€™t as fast or convenient as driving your own car.&#8221;</p>
<p>Depends where you live.  In areas with good transit systems (Like SF&#8211; where I live, and DC&#8211; where I lived for a bit of last year), driving can be the less convenient, slower option.  </p>
<p>Let me tell you how much more I enjoy my commute to work now that I can use that time to read&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Maniakes</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/17/how-to-lower-gasoline-costs-with-a-boycott/#comment-154307</link>
		<dc:creator>Maniakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, that. It&#039;s a very common theme among high-profile issues. I think Milton Friedman compared it to a hypothetical person saying &quot;I want a cat instead of a dog, but I want my cat to bark&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, that. It&#8217;s a very common theme among high-profile issues. I think Milton Friedman compared it to a hypothetical person saying &#8220;I want a cat instead of a dog, but I want my cat to bark&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/17/how-to-lower-gasoline-costs-with-a-boycott/#comment-154306</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the funny thing isn&#039;t it? If you believe we need alternative energy sources to petroleum, the #1 thing that will help that will be having the price of oil skyrocket, because that will make alternatives more competitive.

Goodness knows, however, that convincing the average person that they can have alternative fuel only at the cost of paying more at the pump is pretty tough. It&#039;s an example, one of many, where people say they&#039;re for something until they have to face the reality behind it. Which is why surveys of what people say they want are only of limited value. Why yes, I want absolutely free and abundant energy, but if you tell me I can have it by squishing babies&#039; heads with a winepress, maybe I don&#039;t actually want that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the funny thing isn&#8217;t it? If you believe we need alternative energy sources to petroleum, the #1 thing that will help that will be having the price of oil skyrocket, because that will make alternatives more competitive.</p>
<p>Goodness knows, however, that convincing the average person that they can have alternative fuel only at the cost of paying more at the pump is pretty tough. It&#8217;s an example, one of many, where people say they&#8217;re for something until they have to face the reality behind it. Which is why surveys of what people say they want are only of limited value. Why yes, I want absolutely free and abundant energy, but if you tell me I can have it by squishing babies&#8217; heads with a winepress, maybe I don&#8217;t actually want that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Maniakes</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/17/how-to-lower-gasoline-costs-with-a-boycott/#comment-154305</link>
		<dc:creator>Maniakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless the abiogenesis theory of oil turns out to be right after all, we will run out of oil eventually. There&#039;s a lot of uncertaintly over when the cheap oil will run out and over how expensive the expensive oil will be. It&#039;s quite possible the futures market is betting too high, in which case the price of oil will go down once reality sets in, but if we really are close to peak oil (or at least to the peak of traditional cheap oil sources), then the market is doing exactly the right thing by bidding up prices now.

Whether we&#039;re in a bubble or not, conservation will cut demand and lead to a decrease in prices. If we&#039;re not in a bubble, the mechanism is obvious. And if we are, then a surplus of oil will accumulate in the hands of speculators who know they&#039;ll have to get rid of it eventually, accellerating the process of the bubble bursting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless the abiogenesis theory of oil turns out to be right after all, we will run out of oil eventually. There&#8217;s a lot of uncertaintly over when the cheap oil will run out and over how expensive the expensive oil will be. It&#8217;s quite possible the futures market is betting too high, in which case the price of oil will go down once reality sets in, but if we really are close to peak oil (or at least to the peak of traditional cheap oil sources), then the market is doing exactly the right thing by bidding up prices now.</p>
<p>Whether we&#8217;re in a bubble or not, conservation will cut demand and lead to a decrease in prices. If we&#8217;re not in a bubble, the mechanism is obvious. And if we are, then a surplus of oil will accumulate in the hands of speculators who know they&#8217;ll have to get rid of it eventually, accellerating the process of the bubble bursting.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an interesting argument to be had about bubbles, which is that many or even most of them are not really illusions so much as premature. The classic example is, in fact, the dot-com &quot;bubble&quot; of the 1990s. Because yes, a ton of people lost a ton of money on that. But, look at where we are in 2008. The internet is coming of age, and everyone&#039;s on line, and online retailing is absolutely enormous, and companies like Amazon and eBay are more than mainstream, they&#039;re major players in the market.

I&#039;ve often thought the same was true of the Personal Computer. You know, a lot of people made large personal fortunes on that revolution, but having been there to witness it all, it looks to me like a lot, lot more people never got rich, or more than moderately successful, and some went bust spectacularly. No one knows names like Adam Osborne or Jack Tramiel anymore. Yet no one can deny that on the whole that revolution was successful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an interesting argument to be had about bubbles, which is that many or even most of them are not really illusions so much as premature. The classic example is, in fact, the dot-com &#8220;bubble&#8221; of the 1990s. Because yes, a ton of people lost a ton of money on that. But, look at where we are in 2008. The internet is coming of age, and everyone&#8217;s on line, and online retailing is absolutely enormous, and companies like Amazon and eBay are more than mainstream, they&#8217;re major players in the market.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often thought the same was true of the Personal Computer. You know, a lot of people made large personal fortunes on that revolution, but having been there to witness it all, it looks to me like a lot, lot more people never got rich, or more than moderately successful, and some went bust spectacularly. No one knows names like Adam Osborne or Jack Tramiel anymore. Yet no one can deny that on the whole that revolution was successful.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Kirwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Kirwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even the world&#039;s wealthiest socialist, George Soros, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&amp;sid=aLSge4iZvG3g&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;recognizes a commidities bubble&lt;/a&gt;.  I&#039;m not sure how much actual use of oil is fueling demand, so cutting consumption may not make much difference in the short term. In the long term all bubbles burst, and when they do they usually overshoot - meaning that prices will eventually fall and lag increased consumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even the world&#8217;s wealthiest socialist, George Soros, <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&amp;sid=aLSge4iZvG3g" rel="nofollow">recognizes a commidities bubble</a>.  I&#8217;m not sure how much actual use of oil is fueling demand, so cutting consumption may not make much difference in the short term. In the long term all bubbles burst, and when they do they usually overshoot &#8211; meaning that prices will eventually fall and lag increased consumption.</p>
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