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		<title>By: More Wisdom That Kevin D. At Deansworld Learned From Expelled &#171; The Bad Idea Blog</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/21/thank-you-for-proving-me-right/#comment-154673</link>
		<dc:creator>More Wisdom That Kevin D. At Deansworld Learned From Expelled &#171; The Bad Idea Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his latest post, he tosses in a generous helping of the endlessly tiresome &#8220;see, I told you you&#8217;d all [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] his latest post, he tosses in a generous helping of the endlessly tiresome &#8220;see, I told you you&#8217;d all [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin D.</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/21/thank-you-for-proving-me-right/#comment-154605</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, the NY Times also heaped praise upon &lt;i&gt;Fahrenheit 9/11&lt;/i&gt; so that should tell you something.

Depending upon your disposition toward the NT Times it probably confirms your suspicions about &lt;i&gt;Expelled&lt;/i&gt; either way.

So, from my disposition about the NY Times, anything it slams is probably something I&#039;m going to enjoy.

In the case of &lt;i&gt;Expelled&lt;/i&gt; this little formula of mine proves to be accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, the NY Times also heaped praise upon <i>Fahrenheit 9/11</i> so that should tell you something.</p>
<p>Depending upon your disposition toward the NT Times it probably confirms your suspicions about <i>Expelled</i> either way.</p>
<p>So, from my disposition about the NY Times, anything it slams is probably something I&#8217;m going to enjoy.</p>
<p>In the case of <i>Expelled</i> this little formula of mine proves to be accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/21/thank-you-for-proving-me-right/#comment-154601</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the kind of labeling, name calling, rejecting discussion out of hand attempt to annihilate opposing views that I really hate, no matter which side of the argument it comes from.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://movies.nytimes.com/2008/04/18/movies/18expe.html?ref=movies&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The NY Times calls&lt;/a&gt; Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, &quot;One of the sleaziest documentaries to arrive in a very long time.&quot;

Your wrong, therefore deserve no debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the kind of labeling, name calling, rejecting discussion out of hand attempt to annihilate opposing views that I really hate, no matter which side of the argument it comes from.</p>
<p><a href="http://movies.nytimes.com/2008/04/18/movies/18expe.html?ref=movies" rel="nofollow">The NY Times calls</a> Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, &#8220;One of the sleaziest documentaries to arrive in a very long time.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your wrong, therefore deserve no debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin D.</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/21/thank-you-for-proving-me-right/#comment-154598</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeing as you equate Ben Stein to Michael Moore I&#039;ll take your &quot;biblethumper nonsense&quot; comment in the humorous tone it was &lt;i&gt;clearly&lt;/i&gt; intended to be heard.

Almost tricked me on that one, you sly dog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing as you equate Ben Stein to Michael Moore I&#8217;ll take your &#8220;biblethumper nonsense&#8221; comment in the humorous tone it was <i>clearly</i> intended to be heard.</p>
<p>Almost tricked me on that one, you sly dog!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Shaw</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/21/thank-you-for-proving-me-right/#comment-154596</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical biblethumper nonsense: &quot;you may discuss the topic on &lt;b&gt;my terms and my terms alone;&lt;/b&gt; if you deviate from that stricture you will be shunned.&quot;

Bah.

I&#039;m not watching &lt;i&gt;Fahrenheit 911&lt;/i&gt; either.  What would be the point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical biblethumper nonsense: &#8220;you may discuss the topic on <b>my terms and my terms alone;</b> if you deviate from that stricture you will be shunned.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bah.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not watching <i>Fahrenheit 911</i> either.  What would be the point?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin D.</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/21/thank-you-for-proving-me-right/#comment-154594</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,
&lt;blockquote&gt;Frontpaging a piece that one can reliably predict will cause an uproar...&lt;/blockquote&gt;
An uproar that would have nothing, and did have nothing, to do with the topic at hand.  Thank you for noting my wisdom.

As for poisoning the discussion, as I see it, the discussion being had had nothing to do with the documentary but rather what a crock people think ID is.  I didn&#039;t poison any discussion because that discussion never took place.  So it&#039;s kind of hard to blame me for &quot;pissing in the soup pot&quot; when there was never a pot involved.

I do expect you&#039;ll excuse me for pissing, however.  It is a natural biological function that I assume you yourself engage in from time to time.

As for ignoring my posts... feel free.  I&#039;m only taking to hear my own voice most times anyway.

Its worked out pretty well for me so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<blockquote><p>Frontpaging a piece that one can reliably predict will cause an uproar&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>An uproar that would have nothing, and did have nothing, to do with the topic at hand.  Thank you for noting my wisdom.</p>
<p>As for poisoning the discussion, as I see it, the discussion being had had nothing to do with the documentary but rather what a crock people think ID is.  I didn&#8217;t poison any discussion because that discussion never took place.  So it&#8217;s kind of hard to blame me for &#8220;pissing in the soup pot&#8221; when there was never a pot involved.</p>
<p>I do expect you&#8217;ll excuse me for pissing, however.  It is a natural biological function that I assume you yourself engage in from time to time.</p>
<p>As for ignoring my posts&#8230; feel free.  I&#8217;m only taking to hear my own voice most times anyway.</p>
<p>Its worked out pretty well for me so far.</p>
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		<title>By: John_B</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/21/thank-you-for-proving-me-right/#comment-154591</link>
		<dc:creator>John_B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frontpaging a piece that one can reliably predict will cause an uproar, then not opening comments is akin to pissing in the soup pot. Yeah, you got away with it. Yeah, you poisoned the discussion to the extent that no one will/can take part in it and therefore you cannot lose the argument.

That&#039;s not much of a victory.

It does, however, both depreciate your reliability as one seeking to engage in true dialogue and really annoys those who don&#039;t automatically agree with your point.

You won this &#039;battle&#039; perhaps, but at the cost of at least one reader&#039;s determination to ignore posts from Kevin D. in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frontpaging a piece that one can reliably predict will cause an uproar, then not opening comments is akin to pissing in the soup pot. Yeah, you got away with it. Yeah, you poisoned the discussion to the extent that no one will/can take part in it and therefore you cannot lose the argument.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not much of a victory.</p>
<p>It does, however, both depreciate your reliability as one seeking to engage in true dialogue and really annoys those who don&#8217;t automatically agree with your point.</p>
<p>You won this &#8216;battle&#8217; perhaps, but at the cost of at least one reader&#8217;s determination to ignore posts from Kevin D. in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: La Ventanita</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/21/thank-you-for-proving-me-right/#comment-154590</link>
		<dc:creator>La Ventanita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t seen the film, but want to.  Not because I abide to any theory in particular - in my view whatever happened Big Bang, Evolution, etc. happened by God&#039;s hand and will so how it happened is really of no importance to me.  My interest in seeing the film it&#039;s because it touches on the subject of Academic Censorship.

It used to be that a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, Academia was the bastion of ideas, tolerance and as researchers exploration.

Maybe theories of evolution, b/c that&#039;s all they are theories (even Darwin&#039;s is a theory) should not be part of the science curriculum and should be moved to a different class where all theories are presented.  Sort of an epistemic class on evolution much like philosophy class go from Kant to Popper, from Hume to Kuhn.

In the end I will never understand all this bruhaha about teaching creationism, intelligent design and Darwin all in the same curriculum.  I went to a Catholic school and we studied Darwin and had ample and lively discussion in class of evolution vs. creationism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t seen the film, but want to.  Not because I abide to any theory in particular &#8211; in my view whatever happened Big Bang, Evolution, etc. happened by God&#8217;s hand and will so how it happened is really of no importance to me.  My interest in seeing the film it&#8217;s because it touches on the subject of Academic Censorship.</p>
<p>It used to be that a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, Academia was the bastion of ideas, tolerance and as researchers exploration.</p>
<p>Maybe theories of evolution, b/c that&#8217;s all they are theories (even Darwin&#8217;s is a theory) should not be part of the science curriculum and should be moved to a different class where all theories are presented.  Sort of an epistemic class on evolution much like philosophy class go from Kant to Popper, from Hume to Kuhn.</p>
<p>In the end I will never understand all this bruhaha about teaching creationism, intelligent design and Darwin all in the same curriculum.  I went to a Catholic school and we studied Darwin and had ample and lively discussion in class of evolution vs. creationism.</p>
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		<title>By: Mc Kiernan</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/21/thank-you-for-proving-me-right/#comment-154589</link>
		<dc:creator>Mc Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,

Watch out for dead horses and people that  think.

And remember drive-bys  produce the fewest challengable comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>Watch out for dead horses and people that  think.</p>
<p>And remember drive-bys  produce the fewest challengable comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin D.</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/21/thank-you-for-proving-me-right/#comment-154587</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I frequently comment in comment threads.  In fact, most of the writing I&#039;ve done on this blog is in the comments threads.  I&#039;m an infrequent front page writer at best.

And, frankly, no one has a right to comment.  Not even me.  This is Dean&#039;s blog and he &lt;i&gt;allows&lt;/i&gt; each of us here to post on the front page or comment.  As part of being a front page writer it is &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; right to close comments to &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; threads.

In fact, many bloggers don&#039;t read or respond to comments to their posts.  They fire out what they think and that&#039;s that.

This particular issue is one I didn&#039;t feel like commenting on, nor allowing comments to be made about, because, as Mr. Shoemaker notes above, this topic has been beaten to death.  I didn&#039;t want to be responsible for kicking the dead horse one more time.  Or, more accurately, letting others kick the dead horse when, in reality, that particular dead horse had nothing to do with the topic I was discussing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I frequently comment in comment threads.  In fact, most of the writing I&#8217;ve done on this blog is in the comments threads.  I&#8217;m an infrequent front page writer at best.</p>
<p>And, frankly, no one has a right to comment.  Not even me.  This is Dean&#8217;s blog and he <i>allows</i> each of us here to post on the front page or comment.  As part of being a front page writer it is <i>my</i> right to close comments to <i>my</i> threads.</p>
<p>In fact, many bloggers don&#8217;t read or respond to comments to their posts.  They fire out what they think and that&#8217;s that.</p>
<p>This particular issue is one I didn&#8217;t feel like commenting on, nor allowing comments to be made about, because, as Mr. Shoemaker notes above, this topic has been beaten to death.  I didn&#8217;t want to be responsible for kicking the dead horse one more time.  Or, more accurately, letting others kick the dead horse when, in reality, that particular dead horse had nothing to do with the topic I was discussing.</p>
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