I haven’t seen any evidence of non-Sadr militia “Special Groups” using Iranian arms. I’m not saying they don’t exist, but they must be a small minority.

“This is true, but the leadership is on much better terms with Iran. In Dec 2006 two high ranking officers in the Iranian al-Quds force were captured by the US while at the home of Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, the head of ISCI party.”

For all we know, they were invited so Hakim could tell them to stop shitting in his sandbox. Meanwhile, there have been dozens of arrests of Qods guys with Sadrists.

“Both Sadr and the ISCI/Dawa party have a very different view of Iran than the US.”

Maybe. Mostly they just had more use for them because they once had a common enemy.

Liberal democracies naturally tend to ally each other and move away from countries that are not liberal democracies. Iran is making itself less and less popular in Iraq, while at the same time their usefulness to any party is also declining because there is billions in oil revenue, rogue militias are being reined in, and the ISF are now indisputably the pre-eminent local military power.

And the latest fatwa really puts the Iraqi religious leadership at loggerheads with the Iranian mullahs. Iran can’t win, except by doing something they may be incapable of: playing nice.

1. Dawa leadership moved from Iran to the UK more than a decade ago to escape Tehran’s watchful eye.

Some of the Dawa leadership moved to the UK, but al-Malik went to Syria, not the UK. The SCIRI/SIIC/ISCI leadership and the Badr Corp remained in Iran and did not return to Iraq until after the 2003 invasion.

2. ISCI changed their name to remove “Revolution” and changed their guiding Islamic philosophy from Khomeniest to Sistani … these are pointed snubs of Iranian ties and nods to Iraqi nationalism.

ISCI is trying to convince the Iraqi people and the US that they do not believe in the Iranian style government anymore. Hopefully that is true, or if it isn’t, they will never be able to implement Iranian style government it in Iraq.

3. Iran is in fact sowing chaos and arming the very militias these parties are fighting.

Iran seems to have been supporting all Shiite parties and militias. Perhaps they were not sure who would come out on top in Iraq, so they backed everyone to make sure they were on good terms with whoever came to power in Iraq.

Now they seem to be backing away from Sadr.

4. The Iraqi Shia constituencies of ISCI and Dawa hate Iran.

This is true, but the leadership is on much better terms with Iran. In Dec 2006 two high ranking officers in the Iranian al-Quds force were captured by the US while at the home of Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, the head of ISCI party. They were later released and sent back to Iran after the Iraq government pressured the US to release them.

Both Sadr and the ISCI/Dawa party have a very different view of Iran than the US.

Though to be fair that was a legitimate concern this time last year.

But now, with AQ on the ropes and the IA getting stronger they don’t have too much to worry about internally anymore. Maybe if Sunni states moved against them in some big way they’d be looking for Iranian succor, but that seems pretty unlikely.

I think they’re happy to be friendly with Iran for the obvious reasons that they share a long border, trade, and millions of pilgrims.

Thanks Bill.

I think the easiest way to understand it is that the SCII/Badrists/Dawa simply do not need Iran anymore. They have Iraq’s official resources, and as Sadr is finding out those resources are vastly superior to what Iran can clandestinely supply to militias.

Yes, they maintain ties to Iran, but it is my belief that they don’t trust Iran and maintain some distance. Here’s why:

1. Dawa leadership moved from Iran to the UK more than a decade ago to escape Tehran’s watchful eye.
2. ISCI changed their name to remove “Revolution” and changed their guiding Islamic philosophy from Khomeniest to Sistani … these are pointed snubs of Iranian ties and nods to Iraqi nationalism.
3. Iran is in fact sowing chaos and arming the very militias these parties are fighting.
4. The Iraqi Shia constituencies of ISCI and Dawa hate Iran.

Sadr has been heavily supported by Iran. This support may be waning as his star dims.

In what conceivable sense is this true? They just spent the better part of a month massacring Iranian-backed Sadrist groups. All I see is a repeated assertion contradicted by the facts.

“But the Badr Corp militia of SIIC was formed in Iran in the 1980s, fought on the Iranian side of the Iran-Iraq war”

And we helped what became Al Qaeda in the 1980s when they were fighting the Soviets. Would you say we’re close to them now? When a common enemy is eliminated, alliances of convenience often end quickly.

As you yourself admit, the Badr Corps has largely joined the government. They are the ones who just spent several weeks fighting Sadrists armed with Iranian weapons.

“Sadr has tried to position SIIC as Iraqi traitors and that SIIC are Iranian agents attempting to occupy Iraq”

Hilariously, he has done so from within Iran.

“Your OP poking fun at Kevin just shows your own lack of understanding of what is going on in Iraq.”

Because SCII/Dawa worked with Iran 20 years ago? Your defense is as ridiculous as Kevin’s post.

1) The SIIC and Dawa parties are more pro-Iran than Sadr is.

2) Iran has been arming and training several competing militias in Iraq, including the Sadr militia and the Badr Corp (SIIC).

I am not sure anyone really understands what Iran has been doing in Iraq. Iran has been supporting both the SIIC militias and the Sadr militias. But the Badr Corp militia of SIIC was formed in Iran in the 1980s, fought on the Iranian side of the Iran-Iraq war, and only returned to Iraq after the US invasion. The Badr Corp and SIIC are obviously very close to Iran. The Badr Corp has now been largely absorbed into the Iraqi Army and police forces. Another 10,000 Badr Corp members were brought into the Iraqi security forces after the Basra operation ran into early difficulties.

Sadr has tried to position SIIC as Iraqi traitors and that SIIC are Iranian agents attempting to occupy Iraq.

Your OP poking fun at Kevin just shows your own lack of understanding of what is going on in Iraq.