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	<title>Comments on: Danica Patrick&#8217;s Victory in the Indy Japan&#8211;Are the Rules Fair?</title>
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		<title>By: GR8RYD</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/04/24/danica-patricks-victory-in-the-indy-japan-are-the-rules-fair/#comment-155914</link>
		<dc:creator>GR8RYD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 23:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why waste the time , money and more important&quot;skill&quot; of the engineers to make the cars light if they are then going to be weighted down to balance the field. Where is the incentive to increase mansâ€™ ( not forgetting Danica and her sisters ) ability to strive for ever better?Â  You could argue that the ability to distribute the weight to enhance performance willâ€¦but wait! No! this is formulae 1.&quot;

Ummm. No, this is not Formula 1.Â  This is Indy and they just turn left so the ability to distribute that weight is a significant advantage.Â  I think Danica is a superb driverÂ  but, until the recent rule changes, she had a significant weight advantage,  period.

It would be interesting to know what the average driver weight in the IRL is.Â  I would be surprised if Danica had a 100 lb advantage on any competitive driver before the rule changes.Â  I do believe that before the rule changes, her team had at least a 1 mph advantage over any other IRL team and that is huge.Â  So why did she not win a bunch of races before Japan?Â  Personal opinion (and that is all it is), she was not that great a driver before JapanÂ  (has absolutely nothing to do with her gender).Â  I expect to see Danica win more IRL races.Â  She is a very good race car driver, but there are several other current IRL drivers that, under even conditions, will beat her badly.Â  Just my opinion...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Why waste the time , money and more important&quot;skill&quot; of the engineers to make the cars light if they are then going to be weighted down to balance the field. Where is the incentive to increase mansâ€™ ( not forgetting Danica and her sisters ) ability to strive for ever better?Â  You could argue that the ability to distribute the weight to enhance performance willâ€¦but wait! No! this is formulae 1.&quot;</p>
<p>Ummm. No, this is not Formula 1.Â  This is Indy and they just turn left so the ability to distribute that weight is a significant advantage.Â  I think Danica is a superb driverÂ  but, until the recent rule changes, she had a significant weight advantage,  period.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to know what the average driver weight in the IRL is.Â  I would be surprised if Danica had a 100 lb advantage on any competitive driver before the rule changes.Â  I do believe that before the rule changes, her team had at least a 1 mph advantage over any other IRL team and that is huge.Â  So why did she not win a bunch of races before Japan?Â  Personal opinion (and that is all it is), she was not that great a driver before JapanÂ  (has absolutely nothing to do with her gender).Â  I expect to see Danica win more IRL races.Â  She is a very good race car driver, but there are several other current IRL drivers that, under even conditions, will beat her badly.Â  Just my opinion&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 20:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heheh..
She might have won the race, but she still drives like a woman on a cell phone:
http://www.wishtv.com/global/story.asp?s=8301490

&quot; Danica Patrick hit a member of Dale Coyne&#039;s crew on pit road Friday afternoon.&quot;

&lt;em&gt;chad&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://pirate-king.com/episode/2274&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Starbucks free WiFi&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heheh..<br />
She might have won the race, but she still drives like a woman on a cell phone:<br />
<a href="http://www.wishtv.com/global/story.asp?s=8301490" rel="nofollow">http://www.wishtv.com/global/story.asp?s=8301490</a></p>
<p>&quot; Danica Patrick hit a member of Dale Coyne&#8217;s crew on pit road Friday afternoon.&quot;</p>
<p><em>chad&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://pirate-king.com/episode/2274' rel="nofollow">Starbucks free WiFi</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deangc say it isn&#039;t so!

Â  There is a rule that they ballast the cars to match weights of cars and drivers? Then it comes down to skill? &quot;Skill of engineering to make the car as light as possable&quot;, you said.
Why? 
Why waste the time , money and more important&quot;skill&quot; of the engineers to make the cars light if they are then going to be weighted down to balance the field. Where is the incentive to increase mans&#039; ( not forgetting Danica and her sisters ) ablity to strive for ever better?You could argue that the ability to distribute the weigth to enhance performance will...but wait! No! this is formulae 1. Not NASCAR,which only turns to the left. These cars are balanced. Claiming that engineering developements on the track will aid in advancing safer cars for the general public. This kind of rule is delaying safer roads for us all. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deangc say it isn&#8217;t so!</p>
<p>Â  There is a rule that they ballast the cars to match weights of cars and drivers? Then it comes down to skill? &quot;Skill of engineering to make the car as light as possable&quot;, you said.<br />
Why?<br />
Why waste the time , money and more important&quot;skill&quot; of the engineers to make the cars light if they are then going to be weighted down to balance the field. Where is the incentive to increase mans&#8217; ( not forgetting Danica and her sisters ) ablity to strive for ever better?You could argue that the ability to distribute the weigth to enhance performance will&#8230;but wait! No! this is formulae 1. Not NASCAR,which only turns to the left. These cars are balanced. Claiming that engineering developements on the track will aid in advancing safer cars for the general public. This kind of rule is delaying safer roads for us all.</p>
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		<title>By: deangc</title>
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		<dc:creator>deangc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whinging seems to be twofold: Robby Gordon&#039;s claiming that he won&#039;t race against Patrick because of the huge weight advantage she has, and Patrick&#039;s and Feministing et al claiming that any enforcement of weight equalization is sexist.

Gordon&#039;s whinging is standard in the racing business, which at the top end is as much political as it is technical. Feministing&#039;s whinging is because they see absolutely everything through a pair of evil-patriarchy sunglasses.

At this level of performance, differences don&#039;t have to look huge to be huge. The estimate of 100 lbs = 1 second per lap in Formula 1 is probably not far off. In F1, a second a lap is big. On some circuits, it&#039;s the difference between 1st and 10th. That&#039;s why F1 uses ballast. The cars have a dry weight limit. They all carry the same driver/ballast weight. The differences after that are all skill: engineering skill to get the car as light and powerful as possible without sacrificing reliability, driving skill of course, and team management skill. Cars full of fuel are markedly slower (and anyone who doubts that Patrick&#039;s weight is an advantage need only watch an F1 race at, say, Monza) than cars low on fuel, and management of that is very important.

All in all, Gordon&#039;s blustering, Feministing don&#039;t know what the fuck they&#039;re talking about (nothing new there) and Danica Patrick is a hell of a driver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whinging seems to be twofold: Robby Gordon&#8217;s claiming that he won&#8217;t race against Patrick because of the huge weight advantage she has, and Patrick&#8217;s and Feministing et al claiming that any enforcement of weight equalization is sexist.</p>
<p>Gordon&#8217;s whinging is standard in the racing business, which at the top end is as much political as it is technical. Feministing&#8217;s whinging is because they see absolutely everything through a pair of evil-patriarchy sunglasses.</p>
<p>At this level of performance, differences don&#8217;t have to look huge to be huge. The estimate of 100 lbs = 1 second per lap in Formula 1 is probably not far off. In F1, a second a lap is big. On some circuits, it&#8217;s the difference between 1st and 10th. That&#8217;s why F1 uses ballast. The cars have a dry weight limit. They all carry the same driver/ballast weight. The differences after that are all skill: engineering skill to get the car as light and powerful as possible without sacrificing reliability, driving skill of course, and team management skill. Cars full of fuel are markedly slower (and anyone who doubts that Patrick&#8217;s weight is an advantage need only watch an F1 race at, say, Monza) than cars low on fuel, and management of that is very important.</p>
<p>All in all, Gordon&#8217;s blustering, Feministing don&#8217;t know what the fuck they&#8217;re talking about (nothing new there) and Danica Patrick is a hell of a driver.</p>
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		<title>By: Dodgeblogium &#187; Patrick&#8217;s Victory in the Indy Japan&#8211;Whining alert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dodgeblogium &#187; Patrick&#8217;s Victory in the Indy Japan&#8211;Whining alert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] advantage. Its as if she is dominating the series right now; she has just won one race.  read more &#124; digg [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ian Dodge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Ian Dodge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My god its pathetic this whingeing in it? So she has a small weight advantage. Its not like she is &lt;i&gt;dominating&lt;/i&gt; the sport she just won one bloody race. This smacks of egos being hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My god its pathetic this whingeing in it? So she has a small weight advantage. Its not like she is &lt;i&gt;dominating&lt;/i&gt; the sport she just won one bloody race. This smacks of egos being hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: CosmicConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>CosmicConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 05:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, this is a great and erudite discussion.

My only thought looking at that picture, is &quot;Damn, that is one smug-looking self-satisfied woman.&quot; She looks like she just ate the canary, the goldfish and chased the doberman out of the house. All she needs is a thought balloon saying &quot;Yeah, I&#039;m bad. Badass! Badder than baddass! Kiss my shapely Sports Illustrated model butt you pathetic losers!&quot;

&lt;em&gt;CosmicConservative&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.cosmicconservative.com/weblog/?p=3703&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Daily Toon&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, this is a great and erudite discussion.</p>
<p>My only thought looking at that picture, is &quot;Damn, that is one smug-looking self-satisfied woman.&quot; She looks like she just ate the canary, the goldfish and chased the doberman out of the house. All she needs is a thought balloon saying &quot;Yeah, I&#8217;m bad. Badass! Badder than baddass! Kiss my shapely Sports Illustrated model butt you pathetic losers!&quot;</p>
<p><em>CosmicConservative&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.cosmicconservative.com/weblog/?p=3703' rel="nofollow">The Daily Toon</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: ArnoldHarris</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArnoldHarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to drive a real 2-seater sportscar back in the late 1950s. An Austin-Healey 100, to be exact. My sports use of the Healey was driver and navigatorÂ TSD (time-speed-distance) road rallies. Now and then I hung around at sportscar race tracks of that era, and did some readings onÂ professional auto racing.

One of the things I learned was that at the end ofÂ one of the 500-mileÂ Memorial Day races at the Indianapolis Speedway, finishing drives would have lost five pounds of weight. Clearly, race car driving is one of the most physically demanding of sports, and the body musclesÂ probably are used in ways that most of the rest of usÂ could never even conceptualize.

So Danica Patrick must be one tough woman, even at 100Â lbs. I&#039;mÂ certain she wins races because she is a better driver, not because she is 100 lbs lighterÂ than some fat-ass whose body perhaps is more suitable for football thanÂ staying alive to finish a race on the groundÂ at speeds exceeding 200 mph.

AsÂ has been suggested here. Try lookingÂ around for smaller skilled drivers. Best of all, hire a lot moreÂ women like Danica Patrick. Probably it will improve the competition.

Arnold Harris
MountÂ Horeb WIÂ </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to drive a real 2-seater sportscar back in the late 1950s. An Austin-Healey 100, to be exact. My sports use of the Healey was driver and navigatorÂ TSD (time-speed-distance) road rallies. Now and then I hung around at sportscar race tracks of that era, and did some readings onÂ professional auto racing.</p>
<p>One of the things I learned was that at the end ofÂ one of the 500-mileÂ Memorial Day races at the Indianapolis Speedway, finishing drives would have lost five pounds of weight. Clearly, race car driving is one of the most physically demanding of sports, and the body musclesÂ probably are used in ways that most of the rest of usÂ could never even conceptualize.</p>
<p>So Danica Patrick must be one tough woman, even at 100Â lbs. I&#8217;mÂ certain she wins races because she is a better driver, not because she is 100 lbs lighterÂ than some fat-ass whose body perhaps is more suitable for football thanÂ staying alive to finish a race on the groundÂ at speeds exceeding 200 mph.</p>
<p>AsÂ has been suggested here. Try lookingÂ around for smaller skilled drivers. Best of all, hire a lot moreÂ women like Danica Patrick. Probably it will improve the competition.</p>
<p>Arnold Harris<br />
MountÂ Horeb WIÂ </p>
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		<title>By: bcostin</title>
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		<dc:creator>bcostin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everything about the cars is regulated to death, so I suppose it&#039;s time they started on the drivers, too. 

In a more interesting racing world, the other teams would be encouraged to compensate for that weight advantage by increasing horsepower, improving the car&#039;s aerodynamics, etc. Unfortunately Formula One has decided that regulation, uniformity, and safety are more important than rewarding that kind of ingenuity, so the teams are pretty much forbidden them from doing any of those things. It seems like the only response possible to any innovation is to make a new rule to forbid it as quickly as possible. They&#039;ll turn it into NASCAR before they&#039;re done. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fireballroberts.com/smokey_yunick1.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Smokey Yunick&lt;/a&gt; would be bored to tears.

&lt;em&gt;bcostin&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://bcostin.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/today-well-be-reading-from-pelosi-422/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Today we&#039;ll be reading from Pelosi 4:22&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything about the cars is regulated to death, so I suppose it&#8217;s time they started on the drivers, too. </p>
<p>In a more interesting racing world, the other teams would be encouraged to compensate for that weight advantage by increasing horsepower, improving the car&#8217;s aerodynamics, etc. Unfortunately Formula One has decided that regulation, uniformity, and safety are more important than rewarding that kind of ingenuity, so the teams are pretty much forbidden them from doing any of those things. It seems like the only response possible to any innovation is to make a new rule to forbid it as quickly as possible. They&#8217;ll turn it into NASCAR before they&#8217;re done. <a href="http://www.fireballroberts.com/smokey_yunick1.htm" rel="nofollow">Smokey Yunick</a> would be bored to tears.</p>
<p><em>bcostin&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://bcostin.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/today-well-be-reading-from-pelosi-422/' rel="nofollow">Today we&#8217;ll be reading from Pelosi 4:22</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: bobhawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobhawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the logical endpoint is that all Indy car drivers will be petite, fit babes like Danica Patrick.

What are you guys arguing about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the logical endpoint is that all Indy car drivers will be petite, fit babes like Danica Patrick.</p>
<p>What are you guys arguing about?</p>
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