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		<title>By: CosmicConservative</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/05/07/its-over/#comment-155672</link>
		<dc:creator>CosmicConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 01:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how people keep pushing the tired canard that the &quot;Republican attack machine&quot; will slime Obama with lies and innuendo to win the election.

Here&#039;s the deal. Even if there was any difference between the Republican and Democrat attack machines, it doesn&#039;t matter because they don&#039;t need lies and innuendo to win the election.

The truth will suffice.

And since McCain surely does not have the gonads to run on the truth, I sincerely hope private citizens and organizations take the torch and run with it.

&lt;em&gt;CosmicConservative&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.cosmicconservative.com/weblog/?p=3750&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Daily Toon&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how people keep pushing the tired canard that the &quot;Republican attack machine&quot; will slime Obama with lies and innuendo to win the election.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the deal. Even if there was any difference between the Republican and Democrat attack machines, it doesn&#8217;t matter because they don&#8217;t need lies and innuendo to win the election.</p>
<p>The truth will suffice.</p>
<p>And since McCain surely does not have the gonads to run on the truth, I sincerely hope private citizens and organizations take the torch and run with it.</p>
<p><em>CosmicConservative&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.cosmicconservative.com/weblog/?p=3750' rel="nofollow">The Daily Toon</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Snippet</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/05/07/its-over/#comment-155659</link>
		<dc:creator>Snippet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 20:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They wouldn&#039;t be &quot;just handing it to him.&quot;

He&#039;s earned it. He&#039;s ahead. Tearing him down to win will create bad blood that will hurt democrats more than a Hillary nominee will help.

She could make the exit graceful enough to not make it look affirmative actiony, if she wanted to, but she doesn&#039;t.

I&#039;m looking forward to listening to Michelle Obama complain about how the White House staff is deliberately putting too much cinnamon in her latte just because they can&#039;t handle a black first lady.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They wouldn&#8217;t be &quot;just handing it to him.&quot;</p>
<p>He&#8217;s earned it. He&#8217;s ahead. Tearing him down to win will create bad blood that will hurt democrats more than a Hillary nominee will help.</p>
<p>She could make the exit graceful enough to not make it look affirmative actiony, if she wanted to, but she doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to listening to Michelle Obama complain about how the White House staff is deliberately putting too much cinnamon in her latte just because they can&#8217;t handle a black first lady.</p>
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		<title>By: bcostin</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/05/07/its-over/#comment-155658</link>
		<dc:creator>bcostin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 20:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snippet, I don&#039;t think that the Democratic party would benefit themselves or their black constituency if they just handed Obama the nomination. If he gets a reputation as his own party&#039;s affirmative action candidate then he&#039;s doomed in the general election.

&lt;em&gt;bcostin&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://bcostin.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/president-lincoln-call-your-office/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;President Lincoln, call your office.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snippet, I don&#8217;t think that the Democratic party would benefit themselves or their black constituency if they just handed Obama the nomination. If he gets a reputation as his own party&#8217;s affirmative action candidate then he&#8217;s doomed in the general election.</p>
<p><em>bcostin&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://bcostin.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/president-lincoln-call-your-office/' rel="nofollow">President Lincoln, call your office.</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Snippet</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/05/07/its-over/#comment-155634</link>
		<dc:creator>Snippet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 17:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I just say something?

Seriously.

Hillary needs to bow out.

There is no benefit to her winning the nomination - AT THIS POINT - (even if it is, very technically, possible) that would be sufficient to make up for the, uhm, &quot;difficulties&quot;, a Hillary nomination would create for the democratic party&#039;s relationship with blacks.

I hate race/gender politics, but it&#039;s here to stay, and if Hillary cared about anything besides her own sense of entitlement to the levers of power, she&#039;d say to herself something along the lines of:

&quot;The BEST I can hope for is to create incredible anger among one of the party&#039;s most important constituents, and it&#039;s just not worth it. He&#039;s the best black candidate we&#039;re likely to have. He has enfranchised blacks more than anyone in a LONG time. His politics are identical to what mine are on Tuesdays, Fridays, and every third Sunday, so I can live with him politically. Yep. Time to move on, Hil. After all, there&#039;s more to life than politics. I mean, there&#039;s....

....

....

....

????&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I just say something?</p>
<p>Seriously.</p>
<p>Hillary needs to bow out.</p>
<p>There is no benefit to her winning the nomination &#8211; AT THIS POINT &#8211; (even if it is, very technically, possible) that would be sufficient to make up for the, uhm, &quot;difficulties&quot;, a Hillary nomination would create for the democratic party&#8217;s relationship with blacks.</p>
<p>I hate race/gender politics, but it&#8217;s here to stay, and if Hillary cared about anything besides her own sense of entitlement to the levers of power, she&#8217;d say to herself something along the lines of:</p>
<p>&quot;The BEST I can hope for is to create incredible anger among one of the party&#8217;s most important constituents, and it&#8217;s just not worth it. He&#8217;s the best black candidate we&#8217;re likely to have. He has enfranchised blacks more than anyone in a LONG time. His politics are identical to what mine are on Tuesdays, Fridays, and every third Sunday, so I can live with him politically. Yep. Time to move on, Hil. After all, there&#8217;s more to life than politics. I mean, there&#8217;s&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;.</p>
<p>????&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Coleman</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/05/07/its-over/#comment-155630</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 16:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;From what Iâ€™ve read Hillary is on a mission to save the Dems from repeating 1972&lt;/i&gt;
From what I&#039;ve read Hillary is on a mission that is solely about her personal ambition, and always has been.  The idea that she is slugging it out at this point for the good of the party is hard for me to swallow.

&lt;em&gt;Ron Coleman&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://likelihoodofsuccess.com/2008/05/07/the-long-and-rocky-road/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The long and rocky road&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>From what Iâ€™ve read Hillary is on a mission to save the Dems from repeating 1972</i><br />
From what I&#8217;ve read Hillary is on a mission that is solely about her personal ambition, and always has been.  The idea that she is slugging it out at this point for the good of the party is hard for me to swallow.</p>
<p><em>Ron Coleman&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://likelihoodofsuccess.com/2008/05/07/the-long-and-rocky-road/' rel="nofollow">The long and rocky road</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin D.</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/05/07/its-over/#comment-155629</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 16:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Operation... Chaos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Operation&#8230; Chaos.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/05/07/its-over/#comment-155625</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Kirwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 15:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From what I&#039;ve read Hillary is on a mission to save the Dems from repeating 1972, in which the activists nominated a candidate they liked but the rest of the country didn&#039;t. Keep in mind that during that election you had an unpopular war and a soft economy, yet a Republican still managed to win in a landslide. That whole debacle is the reason behind the Dems &quot;superdelegates&quot; as Susan Estrich noted yesterday.

As the past 2 months have proven, Obama is no messiah. His charisma and speeches haven&#039;t dipped him in Teflon as some expected.Â And the primaries aren&#039;t pure democracy; keep in mind that only 4% of democrats have actually voted in the things. The Democrats could draft Gore to run if they really wanted to, and there would be nothing illegal about it.

Hillary stands a better chance against McCain. She knows it; Estrich knows it, and the Republican National Committee knows it. Unfortunately the DNC doesn&#039;t, which is a relief to McCain supporters like myself. 

But all this &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:cr@p&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cr@p&lt;/a&gt; about her giving up is just that: &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:cr@p&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cr@p&lt;/a&gt;. She&#039;s on a mission, and if she doesn&#039;t quit she can still pull off the upset of the past 50 years.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I&#8217;ve read Hillary is on a mission to save the Dems from repeating 1972, in which the activists nominated a candidate they liked but the rest of the country didn&#8217;t. Keep in mind that during that election you had an unpopular war and a soft economy, yet a Republican still managed to win in a landslide. That whole debacle is the reason behind the Dems &quot;superdelegates&quot; as Susan Estrich noted yesterday.</p>
<p>As the past 2 months have proven, Obama is no messiah. His charisma and speeches haven&#8217;t dipped him in Teflon as some expected.Â And the primaries aren&#8217;t pure democracy; keep in mind that only 4% of democrats have actually voted in the things. The Democrats could draft Gore to run if they really wanted to, and there would be nothing illegal about it.</p>
<p>Hillary stands a better chance against McCain. She knows it; Estrich knows it, and the Republican National Committee knows it. Unfortunately the DNC doesn&#8217;t, which is a relief to McCain supporters like myself. </p>
<p>But all this <a href="mailto:cr@p" rel="nofollow">cr@p</a> about her giving up is just that: <a href="mailto:cr@p" rel="nofollow">cr@p</a>. She&#8217;s on a mission, and if she doesn&#8217;t quit she can still pull off the upset of the past 50 years.</p>
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		<title>By: zach</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/05/07/its-over/#comment-155619</link>
		<dc:creator>zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 14:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P Mike,

I don&#039;t see how that&#039;s possible given that Obama and Clinton have nearly identical positions almost across the board.Â  The rancor is a byproduct of &quot;I want to WIN&quot; and nothing else.Â  Once one or the other party concedes defeat you will be amazed by how quickly the rancor will fade into irrelevance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P Mike,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how that&#8217;s possible given that Obama and Clinton have nearly identical positions almost across the board.Â  The rancor is a byproduct of &quot;I want to WIN&quot; and nothing else.Â  Once one or the other party concedes defeat you will be amazed by how quickly the rancor will fade into irrelevance.</p>
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		<title>By: bcostin</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/05/07/its-over/#comment-155618</link>
		<dc:creator>bcostin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 14:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Arnold&#039;s pretty much right on this one. She&#039;ll fight hard for the delegates from Florida and Michigan (as she should - that mess was entirely the Democrats&#039; own fault). Obama&#039;s support will continue to soften as McCain&#039;s solidifies. And provided she hasn&#039;t withdrawn (or allowed herself to be co-opted by the Obama campaign) Hillary may be seen as the better choice. She hasn&#039;t lost yet.

And, to be honest, in the back of my mind I think Hillary would rather see McCain as President than Obama, for both political and practical reasons. Even though she&#039;s not going to Leiberman-ize herself by actually saying this out loud. McCain&#039;s probably only going to serve one term, and it&#039;d be fairly easy for Hillary to either co-opt or repudiate his moderate politics depending on how it turns out. Obama, on the other hand, is either going to do well and serve two terms or screw up and ruin the Democrats&#039; chances in the next election. Either way, an Obama Presidency is less attractive for Ms. Clinton.

&lt;em&gt;bcostin&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://bcostin.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/president-lincoln-call-your-office/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;President Lincoln, call your office.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Arnold&#8217;s pretty much right on this one. She&#8217;ll fight hard for the delegates from Florida and Michigan (as she should &#8211; that mess was entirely the Democrats&#8217; own fault). Obama&#8217;s support will continue to soften as McCain&#8217;s solidifies. And provided she hasn&#8217;t withdrawn (or allowed herself to be co-opted by the Obama campaign) Hillary may be seen as the better choice. She hasn&#8217;t lost yet.</p>
<p>And, to be honest, in the back of my mind I think Hillary would rather see McCain as President than Obama, for both political and practical reasons. Even though she&#8217;s not going to Leiberman-ize herself by actually saying this out loud. McCain&#8217;s probably only going to serve one term, and it&#8217;d be fairly easy for Hillary to either co-opt or repudiate his moderate politics depending on how it turns out. Obama, on the other hand, is either going to do well and serve two terms or screw up and ruin the Democrats&#8217; chances in the next election. Either way, an Obama Presidency is less attractive for Ms. Clinton.</p>
<p><em>bcostin&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://bcostin.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/president-lincoln-call-your-office/' rel="nofollow">President Lincoln, call your office.</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Inv A. DeSoda</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/05/07/its-over/#comment-155616</link>
		<dc:creator>Inv A. DeSoda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 13:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wrong on the outcome in North Carolina, but Hillary should NOT bow out.

Superdelegates are still the decider, and even though I think they will have to more or less fall in line behind the voters, I don&#039;t see them all voting as a bloc.

It is also unknown whether there are enough foolish-consistency hobgoblins in Howard Dean&#039;s head to holdÂ firm onÂ disenfranchising Michigan and Florida for having the temerity to refuse to bow down to theÂ favoritism reserved forÂ the &quot;early states.&quot;

&lt;em&gt;Inv A. DeSoda&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://propagandamachine.blogspot.com/2008/03/assassination-smear-2.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Assassination Smear 2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wrong on the outcome in North Carolina, but Hillary should NOT bow out.</p>
<p>Superdelegates are still the decider, and even though I think they will have to more or less fall in line behind the voters, I don&#8217;t see them all voting as a bloc.</p>
<p>It is also unknown whether there are enough foolish-consistency hobgoblins in Howard Dean&#8217;s head to holdÂ firm onÂ disenfranchising Michigan and Florida for having the temerity to refuse to bow down to theÂ favoritism reserved forÂ the &quot;early states.&quot;</p>
<p><em>Inv A. DeSoda&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://propagandamachine.blogspot.com/2008/03/assassination-smear-2.html' rel="nofollow">The Assassination Smear 2</a></em></p>
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