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		<title>By: Mc Kiernan</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/05/12/muslim-smear-v20/#comment-156167</link>
		<dc:creator>Mc Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 21:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Martin,&lt;/em&gt; &lt;em&gt;Good on you. You tried to kill the thread earlier on and now, youâ€™re into tea in china replies. 

&lt;/em&gt;Minor correction 1.

Good on you Martin. You tried to kill the thread earlier on and now, you&#039;re into McKiernan is so brilliant.

I&#039;ll accept that.

Minor correction 2.

Misattribution, zach not martin re: comment 18.

Thanks,

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Martin,</em> <em>Good on you. You tried to kill the thread earlier on and now, youâ€™re into tea in china replies. </p>
<p></em>Minor correction 1.</p>
<p>Good on you Martin. You tried to kill the thread earlier on and now, you&#8217;re into McKiernan is so brilliant.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll accept that.</p>
<p>Minor correction 2.</p>
<p>Misattribution, zach not martin re: comment 18.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
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		<title>By: Martin L. Shoemaker</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/05/12/muslim-smear-v20/#comment-156118</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin L. Shoemaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give it up, Dean. McKiernan is so brilliant, he has refuted a link I never even posted! Against logic and reason and wit and (lest we forget) reading comprehension skills like that, what chance have we mere mortals?


(My word, the ODS folks are starting to make the BDS folks look almost sane...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give it up, Dean. McKiernan is so brilliant, he has refuted a link I never even posted! Against logic and reason and wit and (lest we forget) reading comprehension skills like that, what chance have we mere mortals?</p>
<p>(My word, the ODS folks are starting to make the BDS folks look almost sane&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Mc Kiernan</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/05/12/muslim-smear-v20/#comment-156094</link>
		<dc:creator>Mc Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 18:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Dean, wrong. 

This is what doesnâ€™t make any sense because it is false as in not truthful. 

â€œObama is right to say he had no religion until he became a Christian.â€  Ali Eteraz   

Martin links to an NBC story in which the public school he attend for one year indicates he was not religious. But it fails to include the evidence that three years prior Barry is registered in school documents as of  muslim faith.  

He lived in a muslim neighborhood in Jakarta, had a muslim step-father and attended Friday prayer with him wearing muslim clothing. 

Had you bothered to read  &lt;a href=&quot;http://laotze.blogspot.com/2007/01/tracking-down-obama-in-indonesia-part-3.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here &lt;/a&gt;or  the link in comment  15 above, you might come to the conclusion that Ali is  wrong.  &#160;  

Then again, facts are such messy things during political season. 

Letâ€™s ignore them and let bloggers post stuff that isnâ€™t true on the front page.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Dean, wrong. </p>
<p>This is what doesnâ€™t make any sense because it is false as in not truthful. </p>
<p>â€œObama is right to say he had no religion until he became a Christian.â€  Ali Eteraz   </p>
<p>Martin links to an NBC story in which the public school he attend for one year indicates he was not religious. But it fails to include the evidence that three years prior Barry is registered in school documents as of  muslim faith.  </p>
<p>He lived in a muslim neighborhood in Jakarta, had a muslim step-father and attended Friday prayer with him wearing muslim clothing. </p>
<p>Had you bothered to read  <a href="http://laotze.blogspot.com/2007/01/tracking-down-obama-in-indonesia-part-3.html" rel="nofollow">here </a>or  the link in comment  15 above, you might come to the conclusion that Ali is  wrong.  &nbsp;  </p>
<p>Then again, facts are such messy things during political season. </p>
<p>Letâ€™s ignore them and let bloggers post stuff that isnâ€™t true on the front page.</p>
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		<title>By: Mc Kiernan</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/05/12/muslim-smear-v20/#comment-156092</link>
		<dc:creator>Mc Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 17:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Dean,

This is what doesn&#039;t make sense because it is &lt;em&gt;false as in not truthful &lt;/em&gt;:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Obama is right to say he had no religion until he became a Christian.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;   Ali Eteraz

Had you bothered &lt;a href=&quot;http://laotze.blogspot.com/2007/01/tracking-down-obama-in-indonesia-part-3.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;to read&lt;/a&gt; the &lt;a href=&quot;http://http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5544&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;links&lt;/a&gt;  I provided, you would  of necessity have come to the conclusion, that Barry Obama did in fact have a muslim background. 

Martin presents a link from NBC saying Obama wasn&#039;t muslim but it ignores  the fact that for three year prior to the public school Obama attended, &lt;a href=&quot;http://laotze.blogspot.com/2007/01/tracking-down-obama-in-indonesia-part-3.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;he is  registered in school documents  as of muslim faith&lt;/a&gt;. He lived in a muslim neighborhood, and attended friday prayers with his muslim step-father wearing muslim clothes.

So instead of calling me a spittled senseless old man, maybe you could in fact read a little more background links on Barry. 

Vanderleun calls it fact checking. 

Then, again, we wouldn&#039;t want any facts  get in the way during political season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Dean,</p>
<p>This is what doesn&#8217;t make sense because it is <em>false as in not truthful </em>:</p>
<p><em>&quot;Obama is right to say he had no religion until he became a Christian.&quot;</em>   Ali Eteraz</p>
<p>Had you bothered <a href="http://laotze.blogspot.com/2007/01/tracking-down-obama-in-indonesia-part-3.html" rel="nofollow">to read</a> the <a href="http://http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5544" rel="nofollow">links</a>  I provided, you would  of necessity have come to the conclusion, that Barry Obama did in fact have a muslim background. </p>
<p>Martin presents a link from NBC saying Obama wasn&#8217;t muslim but it ignores  the fact that for three year prior to the public school Obama attended, <a href="http://laotze.blogspot.com/2007/01/tracking-down-obama-in-indonesia-part-3.html" rel="nofollow">he is  registered in school documents  as of muslim faith</a>. He lived in a muslim neighborhood, and attended friday prayers with his muslim step-father wearing muslim clothes.</p>
<p>So instead of calling me a spittled senseless old man, maybe you could in fact read a little more background links on Barry. </p>
<p>Vanderleun calls it fact checking. </p>
<p>Then, again, we wouldn&#8217;t want any facts  get in the way during political season.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/05/12/muslim-smear-v20/#comment-156068</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 13:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, McKiernan, all that&#039;s going on is that you&#039;re doing your usual spittle-spewing crazy old man schtick, saying things that make absolutely no sense to anyone reading this thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, McKiernan, all that&#8217;s going on is that you&#8217;re doing your usual spittle-spewing crazy old man schtick, saying things that make absolutely no sense to anyone reading this thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Mc Kiernan</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/05/12/muslim-smear-v20/#comment-156053</link>
		<dc:creator>Mc Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 03:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,

Good on you. You tried to kill the thread earlier on and now, you&#039;re into tea in china replies.

The facts are, is that Aziz and Ali and Dean are long gone, unwilling, and unable to defend their positions or respond to a few actual facts regarding Barry&#039;s schooling or else they never had any intention of ever responding.

Do you need more links ?

I have plenty.

Then again, why do I remember an old internet adage usually referred to as:

&quot;fact-check their ass.&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p>
<p>Good on you. You tried to kill the thread earlier on and now, you&#8217;re into tea in china replies.</p>
<p>The facts are, is that Aziz and Ali and Dean are long gone, unwilling, and unable to defend their positions or respond to a few actual facts regarding Barry&#8217;s schooling or else they never had any intention of ever responding.</p>
<p>Do you need more links ?</p>
<p>I have plenty.</p>
<p>Then again, why do I remember an old internet adage usually referred to as:</p>
<p>&#8220;fact-check their ass.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Martin L. Shoemaker</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/05/12/muslim-smear-v20/#comment-156052</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin L. Shoemaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 02:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;how many athiest fathersÂ  give their children the middle name of Hussein ?&quot;


How many atheist fathers name their children Christopher? Or Mary? Or Moses? Or Abraham?


How many Christian fathers name their children Karl (as in Marx) or Charles (as in Darwin) or Richard (as in Dawkins)?


And what the heck does any of that have to do with the price of tea in China?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;how many athiest fathersÂ  give their children the middle name of Hussein ?&quot;</p>
<p>How many atheist fathers name their children Christopher? Or Mary? Or Moses? Or Abraham?</p>
<p>How many Christian fathers name their children Karl (as in Marx) or Charles (as in Darwin) or Richard (as in Dawkins)?</p>
<p>And what the heck does any of that have to do with the price of tea in China?</p>
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		<title>By: Mc Kiernan</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/05/12/muslim-smear-v20/#comment-156049</link>
		<dc:creator>Mc Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 22:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it fair to ask Ali, 

how many athiest fathersÂ  give their children the middle name of Hussein ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it fair to ask Ali, </p>
<p>how many athiest fathersÂ  give their children the middle name of Hussein ?</p>
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		<title>By: Mc Kiernan</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/05/12/muslim-smear-v20/#comment-156045</link>
		<dc:creator>Mc Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 22:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zach,

The clean plate  theory,  espoused by Ali, that Barry had no religion until he was baptized by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright at age 31 is not supported by known educational and family history data:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5544&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Barack Obama&#039;s Muslim Childhood&lt;/a&gt;

I liked the part where he had trouble during Koran studies.

Draw you own conclusions, everyone else does.&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5544&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zach,</p>
<p>The clean plate  theory,  espoused by Ali, that Barry had no religion until he was baptized by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright at age 31 is not supported by known educational and family history data:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5544" rel="nofollow">Barack Obama&#8217;s Muslim Childhood</a></p>
<p>I liked the part where he had trouble during Koran studies.</p>
<p>Draw you own conclusions, everyone else does.<a href="http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5544" rel="nofollow"><br />
</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave Price</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/05/12/muslim-smear-v20/#comment-156025</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 15:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That might be true in Malaysia, but it sure as hell isn&#039;t in places like Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.Â  Apostasy is still punishable by death in some countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That might be true in Malaysia, but it sure as hell isn&#8217;t in places like Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.Â  Apostasy is still punishable by death in some countries.</p>
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