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	<title>Comments on: Dungeons &amp; Dragons 4th Edition</title>
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		<title>By: robkraft</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/06/16/dungeons-dragons-4th-edition/#comment-159612</link>
		<dc:creator>robkraft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice summary.Â  I wish WOTC would provide a nice summary of the changes for experienced players.Â  I don&#039;t read every sentence of the new material in depth and things like not rolling for hit points surprised me.Â  I had to dig around in the books to confirm that was the case.

&lt;em&gt;robkraft&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://dndtips.blogspot.com/2008/05/hummingbird-familiar.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Hummingbird Familiar&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice summary.Â  I wish WOTC would provide a nice summary of the changes for experienced players.Â  I don&#8217;t read every sentence of the new material in depth and things like not rolling for hit points surprised me.Â  I had to dig around in the books to confirm that was the case.</p>
<p><em>robkraft&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://dndtips.blogspot.com/2008/05/hummingbird-familiar.html' rel="nofollow">A Hummingbird Familiar</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Haibane.info &#187; Blog Archive &#187; my gaming history</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/06/16/dungeons-dragons-4th-edition/#comment-158166</link>
		<dc:creator>Haibane.info &#187; Blog Archive &#187; my gaming history</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at DW has a nice summary of what&#8217;s changed in the new 4th Edition of Dungeons and Dragons. I really am eager to give this a shot - I used to play D&amp;D heavily, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at DW has a nice summary of what&#8217;s changed in the new 4th Edition of Dungeons and Dragons. I really am eager to give this a shot &#8211; I used to play D&#38;D heavily, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse_Hill</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/06/16/dungeons-dragons-4th-edition/#comment-158153</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse_Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4th Ed went in the completely wrong direction for me to have any interest in it whatsoever. I&#039;m a huge RPing nerd, but I love the storytelling, not the rules. Games like the 3rd ed GURPS are simple (unless you want them to be), and that works for many groups.

For my money, the best system currently available is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.burningwheel.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BURNING WHEEL.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4th Ed went in the completely wrong direction for me to have any interest in it whatsoever. I&#8217;m a huge RPing nerd, but I love the storytelling, not the rules. Games like the 3rd ed GURPS are simple (unless you want them to be), and that works for many groups.</p>
<p>For my money, the best system currently available is <a href="http://www.burningwheel.org/" rel="nofollow">BURNING WHEEL.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Martin L. Shoemaker</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/06/16/dungeons-dragons-4th-edition/#comment-158148</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin L. Shoemaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin D., the man has now posted four comments on a topic he&#039;s sure is a waste of time. Show him some pity, please. He has no life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin D., the man has now posted four comments on a topic he&#8217;s sure is a waste of time. Show him some pity, please. He has no life.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin D.</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/06/16/dungeons-dragons-4th-edition/#comment-158144</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Role-playing encourages creative problem solving and teamwork.Â  Role-playing games force you to deal with people you might not otherwise hang out with and work with them achieving common goals.

How the hell is that a waste of time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Role-playing encourages creative problem solving and teamwork.Â  Role-playing games force you to deal with people you might not otherwise hang out with and work with them achieving common goals.</p>
<p>How the hell is that a waste of time?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/06/16/dungeons-dragons-4th-edition/#comment-158131</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Kirwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t touched the game in almost a quarter century, but there are far worse ways of wasting time than AD&amp;D. 

Play is a very important part of the lives of children, and as some of us are finding as we get older, in adulthood as well. The mental skills one has to develop and employ to play AD&amp;D and many video games aren&#039;t wastes of time in the same way that Sudoku and Crossword puzzles aren&#039;t either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t touched the game in almost a quarter century, but there are far worse ways of wasting time than AD&amp;D. </p>
<p>Play is a very important part of the lives of children, and as some of us are finding as we get older, in adulthood as well. The mental skills one has to develop and employ to play AD&amp;D and many video games aren&#8217;t wastes of time in the same way that Sudoku and Crossword puzzles aren&#8217;t either.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin D.</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/06/16/dungeons-dragons-4th-edition/#comment-158127</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,

That picture now resides within my hard drive.

And my heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,</p>
<p>That picture now resides within my hard drive.</p>
<p>And my heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin D.</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/06/16/dungeons-dragons-4th-edition/#comment-158118</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I have a fondness for White Wolf.Â  &lt;em&gt;Vampire: The Masquerade&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;Hunter: The Reckoning&lt;/em&gt; were two of my favorite RPGs.Â  The new World of Darkness looks interesting but I don&#039;t know anyone who plays.Â  I am excited about &lt;em&gt;Hunter: The Vigil&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I have a fondness for White Wolf.Â  <em>Vampire: The Masquerade</em> and <em>Hunter: The Reckoning</em> were two of my favorite RPGs.Â  The new World of Darkness looks interesting but I don&#8217;t know anyone who plays.Â  I am excited about <em>Hunter: The Vigil</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Elisha Feger</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/06/16/dungeons-dragons-4th-edition/#comment-158109</link>
		<dc:creator>Elisha Feger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, there was a 3.5E.Â  I&#039;m not clear on all the changes - not an interest of mine - but apparently they fixed a lot of &#039;bugs&#039; as it were.

On the topic of Magic, I gave that up years ago...Â  Still have my cards, though they&#039;re all tourney-illegal these days.Â  The constant influx and outflux of &#039;legal&#039; cards to drive sales is maddening.Â  I don&#039;t understand why people put up with that behavior, but it&#039;s still a fun game to play with friends.

I&#039;m surprised no one&#039;s mentioned any White Wolf games so far.Â  Maybe that&#039;s for the best. :p

&lt;em&gt;Elisha Feger&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://demonicgerbil.livejournal.com/537447.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Random Aria Thought&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, there was a 3.5E.Â  I&#8217;m not clear on all the changes &#8211; not an interest of mine &#8211; but apparently they fixed a lot of &#8216;bugs&#8217; as it were.</p>
<p>On the topic of Magic, I gave that up years ago&#8230;Â  Still have my cards, though they&#8217;re all tourney-illegal these days.Â  The constant influx and outflux of &#8216;legal&#8217; cards to drive sales is maddening.Â  I don&#8217;t understand why people put up with that behavior, but it&#8217;s still a fun game to play with friends.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised no one&#8217;s mentioned any White Wolf games so far.Â  Maybe that&#8217;s for the best. :p</p>
<p><em>Elisha Feger&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://demonicgerbil.livejournal.com/537447.html' rel="nofollow">Random Aria Thought</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/06/16/dungeons-dragons-4th-edition/#comment-158108</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; D&amp;D came too late for me. I played simulation games, primarily board games from companies like Avalon Hill, then SPI. &lt;/blockquote&gt; Like John Burgess I started out with the A-H simulation and strategy games but I played first edition D&amp;D more than 30 years ago.  Based on Kevin&#039;s description it sounds as though in the latest they&#039;ve eliminated some of the excessive complexity that&#039;s creeped in over the years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> D&amp;D came too late for me. I played simulation games, primarily board games from companies like Avalon Hill, then SPI. </p></blockquote>
<p> Like John Burgess I started out with the A-H simulation and strategy games but I played first edition D&amp;D more than 30 years ago.  Based on Kevin&#8217;s description it sounds as though in the latest they&#8217;ve eliminated some of the excessive complexity that&#8217;s creeped in over the years.</p>
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