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		<title>By: jrogge</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/09/christian-buttheads/#comment-159528</link>
		<dc:creator>jrogge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep trying to tell people that cracker-napping makes you the spawn of The Devil but nobody takes me serial! I am super serial and no one will stone this child! Waaaaah!

Personally, if there is a God, I am sure he can handle a little cracker-napping. Besides he&#039;ll have The Body of Christ in his home! Good fortune! At least they don&#039;t strap dynamite to themselves, tie themselves to the hood of a car and drive them selves through a brick wall just to blow up a building. I rate this outburst a 4 of 10.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep trying to tell people that cracker-napping makes you the spawn of The Devil but nobody takes me serial! I am super serial and no one will stone this child! Waaaaah!</p>
<p>Personally, if there is a God, I am sure he can handle a little cracker-napping. Besides he&#8217;ll have The Body of Christ in his home! Good fortune! At least they don&#8217;t strap dynamite to themselves, tie themselves to the hood of a car and drive them selves through a brick wall just to blow up a building. I rate this outburst a 4 of 10.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/09/christian-buttheads/#comment-159527</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maniakes: Believe it or not, the term &quot;accident&quot; has a specific meaning too; it&#039;s based on Aristotelian philosophy, and was embraced by St. Thomas Aquinas in his own explorations of the nature of the Eucharist, and this was prior to the Reformation. The Episcopalians generally regard him as a Saint and will tend to use his language, even though they don&#039;t take a firm stance on transubstantiation vs. consubstantiation or any of that other stuff, which frankly also bores me to tears too. 

But essentially (heh) this idea is that a thing&#039;s substance is separate from its properties; those properties which are not substantial are accidents. In modern terms this is hard to understand at first, as it&#039;s got nothing to do with atoms or molecules or energy or any of that; in Aristotelian terms, those would all be accidents. The substance of anything at all is not matter, energy, or any of its physical properties. 

Thus--and again, we are getting into some pretty arid theological territory here, and one of the things the Orthodox complain about (the Western Church&#039;s tendency of overexplaining and overanalyzing)--but the accidents of an object are any of its physical properties or appearances that people can see or detect with their normal five senses. Its substance is deeper, and in most ways beyond human understanding.

So if they&#039;re telling you its physical properties are accidents, that&#039;s where it comes from. Its substance is changed when it becomes the Eucharist, but its accidents, its physical properties, do not.

Make sense?

(Can you tell I studied this stuff really hard before making my leap of faith?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maniakes: Believe it or not, the term &quot;accident&quot; has a specific meaning too; it&#8217;s based on Aristotelian philosophy, and was embraced by St. Thomas Aquinas in his own explorations of the nature of the Eucharist, and this was prior to the Reformation. The Episcopalians generally regard him as a Saint and will tend to use his language, even though they don&#8217;t take a firm stance on transubstantiation vs. consubstantiation or any of that other stuff, which frankly also bores me to tears too. </p>
<p>But essentially (heh) this idea is that a thing&#8217;s substance is separate from its properties; those properties which are not substantial are accidents. In modern terms this is hard to understand at first, as it&#8217;s got nothing to do with atoms or molecules or energy or any of that; in Aristotelian terms, those would all be accidents. The substance of anything at all is not matter, energy, or any of its physical properties. </p>
<p>Thus&#8211;and again, we are getting into some pretty arid theological territory here, and one of the things the Orthodox complain about (the Western Church&#8217;s tendency of overexplaining and overanalyzing)&#8211;but the accidents of an object are any of its physical properties or appearances that people can see or detect with their normal five senses. Its substance is deeper, and in most ways beyond human understanding.</p>
<p>So if they&#8217;re telling you its physical properties are accidents, that&#8217;s where it comes from. Its substance is changed when it becomes the Eucharist, but its accidents, its physical properties, do not.</p>
<p>Make sense?</p>
<p>(Can you tell I studied this stuff really hard before making my leap of faith?)</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/09/christian-buttheads/#comment-159522</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Sandi!

Now I wonder what caused it. Bad, do you have some weird code in your headline or something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Sandi!</p>
<p>Now I wonder what caused it. Bad, do you have some weird code in your headline or something?</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/09/christian-buttheads/#comment-159517</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;What theâ€¦? Does anyone know what random tag would be causing this sudden bizarre formatting?!?

&lt;/em&gt;Found it Dean, but had to eliminate Bad&#039;s &quot;last blog post&quot; url (Sorry Bad) from his comment. The problem appeared to maybe be farther up, but I was able to break the chain there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>What theâ€¦? Does anyone know what random tag would be causing this sudden bizarre formatting?!?</p>
<p></em>Found it Dean, but had to eliminate Bad&#8217;s &quot;last blog post&quot; url (Sorry Bad) from his comment. The problem appeared to maybe be farther up, but I was able to break the chain there.</p>
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		<title>By: jerryk72</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/09/christian-buttheads/#comment-159513</link>
		<dc:creator>jerryk72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quote it, post it again and DELETE the originalÂ  maybe edit it into your comment #7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quote it, post it again and DELETE the originalÂ  maybe edit it into your comment #7</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/09/christian-buttheads/#comment-159511</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I was able to edit XRLQ&#039;s comment, and for some reason it was formatted weird too, but fixing it didn&#039;t fix what followed.

I blame the Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I was able to edit XRLQ&#8217;s comment, and for some reason it was formatted weird too, but fixing it didn&#8217;t fix what followed.</p>
<p>I blame the Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: Maniakes</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/09/christian-buttheads/#comment-159509</link>
		<dc:creator>Maniakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;this didn&#039;t work, either</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this didn&#8217;t work, either</p>
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		<title>By: Aziz Poonawalla</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/09/christian-buttheads/#comment-159506</link>
		<dc:creator>Aziz Poonawalla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;oh what the heck&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>oh what the heck</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Aziz Poonawalla</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/09/christian-buttheads/#comment-159505</link>
		<dc:creator>Aziz Poonawalla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Maniakes</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/09/christian-buttheads/#comment-159503</link>
		<dc:creator>Maniakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;itâ€™s hosting the real presence of God right there in its substance or essence.&quot;

Makes sense. I&#039;d been curious about that, and had assumed it was some archaic double-meaning (like the term &quot;accident&quot; being used to refer to the physical appearance of the bread and wine).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;itâ€™s hosting the real presence of God right there in its substance or essence.&quot;</p>
<p>Makes sense. I&#8217;d been curious about that, and had assumed it was some archaic double-meaning (like the term &quot;accident&quot; being used to refer to the physical appearance of the bread and wine).</p>
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