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	<title>Comments on: The Blue Collar White Mindset and Black Politicians</title>
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		<title>By: jrogge</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/13/the-blue-collar-white-mindset-and-black-politicians/#comment-159747</link>
		<dc:creator>jrogge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;What that tells me is that voters donâ€™t actually know that much about the candidates to begin with, and are mostly being led around by the nose, as if this were a drama playing out on TV rather than an event in the real world. If their opinions of them can change based almost entirely on choice of subject matter is brought up (and one subject benefits one candidate in general vs. another), then it seems like they were missing a lot of information in the first place, and still are missing a heck of a lot of information about other subjects that, if they headlined, would make them think less of the candidate. 

&lt;/em&gt;Yes. This is what is actually happening. This is what happens in an election and this is how people primarily make their decisions on a candidate. They have a gut feeling on an issue, or perhaps they just think that one guy is a &quot;guy I&#039;d have a beer with&quot; and the other guy is &quot;not a guy I&#039;d have a beer with&quot; so they vote for their drinking buddy. This is truly how far many people think on such matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>What that tells me is that voters donâ€™t actually know that much about the candidates to begin with, and are mostly being led around by the nose, as if this were a drama playing out on TV rather than an event in the real world. If their opinions of them can change based almost entirely on choice of subject matter is brought up (and one subject benefits one candidate in general vs. another), then it seems like they were missing a lot of information in the first place, and still are missing a heck of a lot of information about other subjects that, if they headlined, would make them think less of the candidate. </p>
<p></em>Yes. This is what is actually happening. This is what happens in an election and this is how people primarily make their decisions on a candidate. They have a gut feeling on an issue, or perhaps they just think that one guy is a &quot;guy I&#8217;d have a beer with&quot; and the other guy is &quot;not a guy I&#8217;d have a beer with&quot; so they vote for their drinking buddy. This is truly how far many people think on such matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/13/the-blue-collar-white-mindset-and-black-politicians/#comment-159700</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s campaign guff at all. I&#039;ve been watching this campaign quite closely for some time now, and it strikes me as a completely valid criticism. If his defenders can&#039;t take it, then I can&#039;t take them seriously. 

It is people left, right, and center who have noted that his policy proposals have altered very quickly, including quite a few disillusioned voters who supported him in the primaries. It&#039;s likely most of them will get over it by November, although a few never will. So it goes with national level politics.

Anyway: no, I really don&#039;t feel that I have a firm enough grasp on his character to trust him to be particularly predictable in general, nor able to handle the pressures of the job. I have some idea what he&#039;ll do on some issues, but I find him too green, and way too slippery and condescending, to trust that he&#039;ll do anything he says. Others I know, including people who&#039;ve met him, feel differently. Okay then.

There&#039;s nothing worthless about coming to judgments about the character and temperament and values of those who seek the most powerful and famous political office on the planet. So far as I&#039;m concerned, it would be outrageously irresponsible and wholly irrational to demand otherwise.

I guess this gets to an old divide in politics, as to whether character matters or does not. I say it does. Apparently, you find it worthless and irrelevant, and only policy goals matter? You wouldn&#039;t be the first. I respectfully disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s campaign guff at all. I&#8217;ve been watching this campaign quite closely for some time now, and it strikes me as a completely valid criticism. If his defenders can&#8217;t take it, then I can&#8217;t take them seriously. </p>
<p>It is people left, right, and center who have noted that his policy proposals have altered very quickly, including quite a few disillusioned voters who supported him in the primaries. It&#8217;s likely most of them will get over it by November, although a few never will. So it goes with national level politics.</p>
<p>Anyway: no, I really don&#8217;t feel that I have a firm enough grasp on his character to trust him to be particularly predictable in general, nor able to handle the pressures of the job. I have some idea what he&#8217;ll do on some issues, but I find him too green, and way too slippery and condescending, to trust that he&#8217;ll do anything he says. Others I know, including people who&#8217;ve met him, feel differently. Okay then.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing worthless about coming to judgments about the character and temperament and values of those who seek the most powerful and famous political office on the planet. So far as I&#8217;m concerned, it would be outrageously irresponsible and wholly irrational to demand otherwise.</p>
<p>I guess this gets to an old divide in politics, as to whether character matters or does not. I say it does. Apparently, you find it worthless and irrelevant, and only policy goals matter? You wouldn&#8217;t be the first. I respectfully disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Bad</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/13/the-blue-collar-white-mindset-and-black-politicians/#comment-159634</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well, if we canâ€™t vote for Obama for his policy proposals, which have shifted all over the place in just a few weeks (and which he canâ€™t unilaterally impose anyway), &quot;

Be serious.Â  &quot;Shifted all over the place&quot; is from campaign guff.Â  

You nevertheless have a pretty good idea of what Obama is likely to do in office: or try to do, if you want to nitpick.Â  And you have a pretty good idea already if you want that orÂ not.  
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&quot;The thing is, I believe quite firmly that most voters know that too, and that almost no one who voted for him thinks heâ€™s stupid.&quot;

Well of course: that&#039;s the &quot;gist&quot; of the personal ideas of people who don&#039;t like him based on &quot;character.&quot;Â  People who do like him by and large have their own equally worthless caricature.

&lt;em&gt;Bad&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://badidea.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/double-standard-andrew-sullivan-on-catholic-wafer-controversy/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Double standard: Andrew Sullivan on Catholic Wafer Controversy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Well, if we canâ€™t vote for Obama for his policy proposals, which have shifted all over the place in just a few weeks (and which he canâ€™t unilaterally impose anyway), &quot;</p>
<p>Be serious.Â  &quot;Shifted all over the place&quot; is from campaign guff.Â  </p>
<p>You nevertheless have a pretty good idea of what Obama is likely to do in office: or try to do, if you want to nitpick.Â  And you have a pretty good idea already if you want that orÂ not.<br />
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&quot;The thing is, I believe quite firmly that most voters know that too, and that almost no one who voted for him thinks heâ€™s stupid.&quot;</p>
<p>Well of course: that&#8217;s the &quot;gist&quot; of the personal ideas of people who don&#8217;t like him based on &quot;character.&quot;Â  People who do like him by and large have their own equally worthless caricature.</p>
<p><em>Bad&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://badidea.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/double-standard-andrew-sullivan-on-catholic-wafer-controversy/' rel="nofollow">Double standard: Andrew Sullivan on Catholic Wafer Controversy</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Why Jesse Jackson's Comments Will Help Barack Obama</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/13/the-blue-collar-white-mindset-and-black-politicians/#comment-159625</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Jesse Jackson's Comments Will Help Barack Obama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here&#8217;s why. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/13/the-blue-collar-white-mindset-and-black-politicians/#comment-159603</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if we can&#039;t vote for Obama for his policy proposals, which have shifted all over the place in just a few weeks (and which he can&#039;t unilaterally impose anyway), and we can&#039;t vote on his character and who he associates with and who dislikes him, what do we judge him on? 

You are quite correct that George W. Bush is clearly not a stupid man. The thing is, I believe quite firmly that most voters know that too, and that almost no one who voted for him thinks he&#039;s stupid. I don&#039;t. Nevertheless, the &quot;stupid&quot; motif pointed to the view that he was shallow and not very thoughtful, and those can sometimes be valid criticisms.

I am pretty sure we would not have invaded Iraq had it not been 9/11. I am pretty sure he was sincere in wanting to avoid &quot;nation building&quot; and such in 2000. After all, I believed the same thing and voted for him. I am pretty sure he really did change his mind after 9/11. In part because so did I, in exactly the same way. One thing I and others who like this President (and I like him very much, by the way) is that we have always found him pretty predictable, because we feel we have a pretty good grasp on his character--both the good parts and the bad parts.

Almost no one is going to vote for Obama simply because of something like this. All politicians have things they have to overcome, and in Barack&#039;s case, one of them is that he&#039;s black and is therefore going to be suspected of being either openly or closetedly a practitioner of racist politics ala the Rev. Jackson. Things which distance him from that brand of racial demagoguery will make people more likely to listen to and consider him. I don&#039;t see that as irrational at all. It strikes me as quite sensible. I won&#039;t vote for Obama, but I must say that little things like this make me feel better about his possible Presidency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if we can&#8217;t vote for Obama for his policy proposals, which have shifted all over the place in just a few weeks (and which he can&#8217;t unilaterally impose anyway), and we can&#8217;t vote on his character and who he associates with and who dislikes him, what do we judge him on? </p>
<p>You are quite correct that George W. Bush is clearly not a stupid man. The thing is, I believe quite firmly that most voters know that too, and that almost no one who voted for him thinks he&#8217;s stupid. I don&#8217;t. Nevertheless, the &quot;stupid&quot; motif pointed to the view that he was shallow and not very thoughtful, and those can sometimes be valid criticisms.</p>
<p>I am pretty sure we would not have invaded Iraq had it not been 9/11. I am pretty sure he was sincere in wanting to avoid &quot;nation building&quot; and such in 2000. After all, I believed the same thing and voted for him. I am pretty sure he really did change his mind after 9/11. In part because so did I, in exactly the same way. One thing I and others who like this President (and I like him very much, by the way) is that we have always found him pretty predictable, because we feel we have a pretty good grasp on his character&#8211;both the good parts and the bad parts.</p>
<p>Almost no one is going to vote for Obama simply because of something like this. All politicians have things they have to overcome, and in Barack&#8217;s case, one of them is that he&#8217;s black and is therefore going to be suspected of being either openly or closetedly a practitioner of racist politics ala the Rev. Jackson. Things which distance him from that brand of racial demagoguery will make people more likely to listen to and consider him. I don&#8217;t see that as irrational at all. It strikes me as quite sensible. I won&#8217;t vote for Obama, but I must say that little things like this make me feel better about his possible Presidency.</p>
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		<title>By: Bad</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/13/the-blue-collar-white-mindset-and-black-politicians/#comment-159602</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion, the approach you describe couldn&#039;t be less arrogant and nonsensical. Â Sure, it&#039;s less policy wonkish. Â But that doesn&#039;t make it any wiser about what it purports to be judging. Â Pretending that you can come to understand a person in the midst of a political campaignÂ (probably the worst place to get an honest sense of anyone), based on a random selection of whatever incidents happen to be elevated to the scandals of the week?Â I mean think about all the people who think that George Bush is a very stupid man. Â You know that&#039;s a blinkered judgement. Â  But that&#039;s precisely the sort of supposedly insightful average joe &quot;character&quot; caricature you&#039;re talking about: one built of a succession of small incidents, which are neither comprehensive nor representative, and often are even built on outright falsehoods or only half-corrected confusions. Â  Â Take this incident. Â There are tons of different things that could really being going on here, all of which most people are LEAST likely to guess correctly in the middle of a campaign where both sides and the media are all trying to spin every story to their advantage, all sorts of confirmation bias is at work, and so on. Â Jackson could really have been mostly grumpy that Obama is stealing his thunder and not paying him enough discretion (or, frankly, paying him enough money). Â  It may have little to do at all with Obama being truly distinct from Jackson&#039;s brand of racial politics. Â He may, in fact, just be favoring others over Jackson. Â That&#039;s not to say that no unpredictable things happen during someone&#039;s term in office. Â But by and large, party ID and the pretty obvious policy leanings of people give a far better sense of what they are about than breathless media gestalts about who they &quot;really are.&quot; Â I don&#039;t see any evidence that that stuff is any more accurate than chance when it comes to predicting what sort of policy effects will actually occur. Â No one could have predicted 9/11, or even how George Bush, the isolationist anti-interventionist candidate in 2000 would respond to Iraq. Â But did people in Appalachia do any better at guessing any of that stuff with their deep populist insight into his soul? Â Not that I can see. Â And by and large, aren&#039;t most of his policy decisions in office, from tax cuts to energy policy and on, all pretty predictable from his general party and policy leanings during the campaign? Â 

&lt;em&gt;Bad&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://badidea.wordpress.com/2008/07/11/sympathy-for-phil-gramm-another-silly-gaffetroversy/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sympathy for Phil Gramm: Another Silly Gaffetroversy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, the approach you describe couldn&#8217;t be less arrogant and nonsensical. Â Sure, it&#8217;s less policy wonkish. Â But that doesn&#8217;t make it any wiser about what it purports to be judging. Â Pretending that you can come to understand a person in the midst of a political campaignÂ (probably the worst place to get an honest sense of anyone), based on a random selection of whatever incidents happen to be elevated to the scandals of the week?Â I mean think about all the people who think that George Bush is a very stupid man. Â You know that&#8217;s a blinkered judgement. Â  But that&#8217;s precisely the sort of supposedly insightful average joe &quot;character&quot; caricature you&#8217;re talking about: one built of a succession of small incidents, which are neither comprehensive nor representative, and often are even built on outright falsehoods or only half-corrected confusions. Â  Â Take this incident. Â There are tons of different things that could really being going on here, all of which most people are LEAST likely to guess correctly in the middle of a campaign where both sides and the media are all trying to spin every story to their advantage, all sorts of confirmation bias is at work, and so on. Â Jackson could really have been mostly grumpy that Obama is stealing his thunder and not paying him enough discretion (or, frankly, paying him enough money). Â  It may have little to do at all with Obama being truly distinct from Jackson&#8217;s brand of racial politics. Â He may, in fact, just be favoring others over Jackson. Â That&#8217;s not to say that no unpredictable things happen during someone&#8217;s term in office. Â But by and large, party ID and the pretty obvious policy leanings of people give a far better sense of what they are about than breathless media gestalts about who they &quot;really are.&quot; Â I don&#8217;t see any evidence that that stuff is any more accurate than chance when it comes to predicting what sort of policy effects will actually occur. Â No one could have predicted 9/11, or even how George Bush, the isolationist anti-interventionist candidate in 2000 would respond to Iraq. Â But did people in Appalachia do any better at guessing any of that stuff with their deep populist insight into his soul? Â Not that I can see. Â And by and large, aren&#8217;t most of his policy decisions in office, from tax cuts to energy policy and on, all pretty predictable from his general party and policy leanings during the campaign? Â </p>
<p><em>Bad&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://badidea.wordpress.com/2008/07/11/sympathy-for-phil-gramm-another-silly-gaffetroversy/' rel="nofollow">Sympathy for Phil Gramm: Another Silly Gaffetroversy</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: dude1394</title>
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		<dc:creator>dude1394</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree with this.Â  Most folks are just fed up with the victim mentality that Jessie Jackson feeds on.

Now Jessie&#039;s comments might help, but Barack Hussein Obama&#039;s playing of the race card will, I expect counteract most of that.Â Â Â  He&#039;s a more nuanced race-monger it appears to me.Â </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree with this.Â  Most folks are just fed up with the victim mentality that Jessie Jackson feeds on.</p>
<p>Now Jessie&#8217;s comments might help, but Barack Hussein Obama&#8217;s playing of the race card will, I expect counteract most of that.Â Â Â  He&#8217;s a more nuanced race-monger it appears to me.Â </p>
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		<title>By: bobhawkins</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/13/the-blue-collar-white-mindset-and-black-politicians/#comment-159598</link>
		<dc:creator>bobhawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most voters believe that a politician will lie at any time. This means that you have to ignore what would normally be primary evidence -- what Politician B says about his beliefs, attitudes and priorities. You have to rely on secondary evidence, as patchy, indirect and opaque as it may be.

So, lots of people who don&#039;t own guns and don&#039;t plan to, will vote against someone with a bad 2nd Amendment record. They may take &quot;votes for gun control&quot; as a proxy for  something like &quot;looks down on ordinary voters.&quot;

The identity of Politician B&#039;s enemies and critics is good secondary evidence. If you have strong opinions about Politician J, your evaluation of Politician B is likely to be significantly different if you think J&#039;s endorsement of B is sincere or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most voters believe that a politician will lie at any time. This means that you have to ignore what would normally be primary evidence &#8212; what Politician B says about his beliefs, attitudes and priorities. You have to rely on secondary evidence, as patchy, indirect and opaque as it may be.</p>
<p>So, lots of people who don&#8217;t own guns and don&#8217;t plan to, will vote against someone with a bad 2nd Amendment record. They may take &quot;votes for gun control&quot; as a proxy for  something like &quot;looks down on ordinary voters.&quot;</p>
<p>The identity of Politician B&#8217;s enemies and critics is good secondary evidence. If you have strong opinions about Politician J, your evaluation of Politician B is likely to be significantly different if you think J&#8217;s endorsement of B is sincere or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/13/the-blue-collar-white-mindset-and-black-politicians/#comment-159596</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be because, like me, you tend to take the hyper-rationalist or left-brain approach to the world.

Consider another possibility: a hyper-rationalist view of politics may actually be considerably less sophisticated than we arrogantly assume it is. Voters likely to be moved by this incident with Jesse Jackson may actually be the smarter ones. Let me try to explain why.

Anyone who thinks hard about it knows that you can&#039;t really predict what&#039;s going to happen in a 4-8 year Presidency. The candidates can say whatever they want, take whatever policy positions they want, but when they&#039;re actually sworn in and the rubber hits the road, shit changes. It has to. You can create whatever plans you want, but as the aphorism goes, &quot;no battle plan ever survived contact with the enemy.&quot; Facts on the ground are going to change, positions are going to shift, compromises are going to happen. No human being can possibly ascend to the Presidency and four to eight years later come out and say &quot;yep, I accomplished everything I said I would when I campaigned for the office, and did nothing in contradiction to anything I said when I ran that campaign.&quot; It&#039;s impossible.

Thus, what many voters--probably most voters--construct in their heads is less a checklist of the specific policy positions (although they usually have a pretty good grasp of that) than an assessment of the candidate as a person and how they think he&#039;s likely to deal with things over the next few years. And, how he&#039;s likely to treat them and their interests over the next few years.

In short: we&#039;re electing a Commander In Chief, not a Policy Wonk In Chief. These voters know that.

Knowing that he&#039;s not liked by someone they despise makes him immediately more trustworthy, because they&#039;ll assume he&#039;s not a &quot;trojan horse&quot; who&#039;s pretending to have their interests in mind but will really be &quot;just another&quot; black politician who hates them. That will make all the difference in the world to a lot of them. Arguably, it should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be because, like me, you tend to take the hyper-rationalist or left-brain approach to the world.</p>
<p>Consider another possibility: a hyper-rationalist view of politics may actually be considerably less sophisticated than we arrogantly assume it is. Voters likely to be moved by this incident with Jesse Jackson may actually be the smarter ones. Let me try to explain why.</p>
<p>Anyone who thinks hard about it knows that you can&#8217;t really predict what&#8217;s going to happen in a 4-8 year Presidency. The candidates can say whatever they want, take whatever policy positions they want, but when they&#8217;re actually sworn in and the rubber hits the road, shit changes. It has to. You can create whatever plans you want, but as the aphorism goes, &quot;no battle plan ever survived contact with the enemy.&quot; Facts on the ground are going to change, positions are going to shift, compromises are going to happen. No human being can possibly ascend to the Presidency and four to eight years later come out and say &quot;yep, I accomplished everything I said I would when I campaigned for the office, and did nothing in contradiction to anything I said when I ran that campaign.&quot; It&#8217;s impossible.</p>
<p>Thus, what many voters&#8211;probably most voters&#8211;construct in their heads is less a checklist of the specific policy positions (although they usually have a pretty good grasp of that) than an assessment of the candidate as a person and how they think he&#8217;s likely to deal with things over the next few years. And, how he&#8217;s likely to treat them and their interests over the next few years.</p>
<p>In short: we&#8217;re electing a Commander In Chief, not a Policy Wonk In Chief. These voters know that.</p>
<p>Knowing that he&#8217;s not liked by someone they despise makes him immediately more trustworthy, because they&#8217;ll assume he&#8217;s not a &quot;trojan horse&quot; who&#8217;s pretending to have their interests in mind but will really be &quot;just another&quot; black politician who hates them. That will make all the difference in the world to a lot of them. Arguably, it should.</p>
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		<title>By: Bad</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/13/the-blue-collar-white-mindset-and-black-politicians/#comment-159595</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the gist of my confusion stems less from the specifics of this demographic itself, and more why incidents like this benefit candidates to begin with. 

For instance, Ron Coleman has hinted at the possibility that the incident was staged for Obama&#039;s benefit. Â I find that desperately implausible, but there is an element of truth to the idea that events like this have little real content to them, at least if you know the general stance of all the players. Â Obama wasn&#039;t any more or less in league with Jackson than he was before Â (well, perhaps less with him specifically by necessity, but that isn&#039;t to say that he&#039;s more or less in line with people like Jackson). Â  His positions on nothing relevant to the interests of blue-collar workers have changed. Even his attitude towards anything, including blue-collar workers, hasn&#039;t really changed. Â But for some reason the fact that, by chance, this subject was brought up and highlighted in the media, benefits Obama. Â 

What that tells me is that voters don&#039;t actually know that much about the candidates to begin with, and are mostly being led around by the nose, as if this were a drama playing out on TV rather than an event in the real world.  If their opinions of them can change based almost entirely on choice of subject matter is brought up (and one subject benefits one candidate in general vs. another), then it seems like they were missing a lot of information in the first place, and still are missing a heck of a lot of information about other subjects that, if they headlined, would make them think less of the candidate. Â 

&lt;em&gt;Bad&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://badidea.wordpress.com/2008/07/11/sympathy-for-phil-gramm-another-silly-gaffetroversy/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sympathy for Phil Gramm: Another Silly Gaffetroversy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the gist of my confusion stems less from the specifics of this demographic itself, and more why incidents like this benefit candidates to begin with. </p>
<p>For instance, Ron Coleman has hinted at the possibility that the incident was staged for Obama&#8217;s benefit. Â I find that desperately implausible, but there is an element of truth to the idea that events like this have little real content to them, at least if you know the general stance of all the players. Â Obama wasn&#8217;t any more or less in league with Jackson than he was before Â (well, perhaps less with him specifically by necessity, but that isn&#8217;t to say that he&#8217;s more or less in line with people like Jackson). Â  His positions on nothing relevant to the interests of blue-collar workers have changed. Even his attitude towards anything, including blue-collar workers, hasn&#8217;t really changed. Â But for some reason the fact that, by chance, this subject was brought up and highlighted in the media, benefits Obama. Â </p>
<p>What that tells me is that voters don&#8217;t actually know that much about the candidates to begin with, and are mostly being led around by the nose, as if this were a drama playing out on TV rather than an event in the real world.  If their opinions of them can change based almost entirely on choice of subject matter is brought up (and one subject benefits one candidate in general vs. another), then it seems like they were missing a lot of information in the first place, and still are missing a heck of a lot of information about other subjects that, if they headlined, would make them think less of the candidate. Â </p>
<p><em>Bad&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://badidea.wordpress.com/2008/07/11/sympathy-for-phil-gramm-another-silly-gaffetroversy/' rel="nofollow">Sympathy for Phil Gramm: Another Silly Gaffetroversy</a></em></p>
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