Comments on: The Eye of the Beholder (Updated) http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/26/the-eye-of-the-beholder/ Defending the liberal tradition in history, science, and philosophy. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:24:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Martin L. Shoemaker http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/26/the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-160281 Martin L. Shoemaker Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:05:14 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/26/the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-160281 In other words: no, you can't cite an example, so you're just going to be belligerent to cover it up. Thank you. I can safely ignore your comments in the future. In other words: no, you can’t cite an example, so you’re just going to be belligerent to cover it up.

Thank you. I can safely ignore your comments in the future.

]]> By: Bad http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/26/the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-160274 Bad Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:50:23 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/26/the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-160274 Oh good grief, you both bought into the same campaign glurge, hook line and sinker, all based on an overeagerness to buy into whatever happens to fit your little narrative.  Coleman, at least, had the sense to see right through it.  Here's Dean: "Hey, if it can’t be a campaign event why should he be bothered?" The narrative on Obama is now that he's really full of himself.  But seriously no politician can hold a candle to the sort of self-righteous BS you guys are now indulging in.   <em>Bad's last blog post..<a href='http://badidea.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/church-killer-adkissons-reading-list-oreily-hannity-savage/' rel="nofollow">Church Killer Adkisson's Reading List: O?Reily, Hannity, Savage</a></em> Oh good grief, you both bought into the same campaign glurge, hook line and sinker, all based on an overeagerness to buy into whatever happens to fit your little narrative. 

Coleman, at least, had the sense to see right through it. 

Here’s Dean: "Hey, if it can’t be a campaign event why should he be bothered?"

The narrative on Obama is now that he’s really full of himself.  But seriously no politician can hold a candle to the sort of self-righteous BS you guys are now indulging in.

 

Bad’s last blog post..Church Killer Adkisson’s Reading List: O?Reily, Hannity, Savage

]]> By: Martin L. Shoemaker http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/26/the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-160266 Martin L. Shoemaker Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:17:26 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/26/the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-160266 Sounds like Bad has a reading comprehension problem, or perhaps just an honesty problem of his own. Show me where I or Dean said anything like that. Sounds like Bad has a reading comprehension problem, or perhaps just an honesty problem of his own. Show me where I or Dean said anything like that.

]]> By: Bad http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/26/the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-160262 Bad Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:21:16 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/26/the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-160262 Sounds like Martin and Dean buy the basic National Review take on the incident: "Ok fine, it's dishonest smear, but it's such a good one: how can we resist?"   <em>Bad's last blog post..<a href='http://badidea.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/church-killer-adkissons-reading-list-oreily-hannity-savage/' rel="nofollow">Church Killer Adkisson's Reading List: O?Reily, Hannity, Savage</a></em> Sounds like Martin and Dean buy the basic National Review take on the incident: "Ok fine, it’s dishonest smear, but it’s such a good one: how can we resist?"  

Bad’s last blog post..Church Killer Adkisson’s Reading List: O?Reily, Hannity, Savage

]]> By: Aziz Poonawalla http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/26/the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-160198 Aziz Poonawalla Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:17:08 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/26/the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-160198 Martin, I may be guilty of not extending McCain beneft of the doubt as often as I should, but I do try (and am willing to be called on it should I fall short). I hope you can extend the same effort to Obama. It should be noted that Obama did in fact visit injured troops at Walter Reed and at the hospital in Baghdad, but these visits were him and his security detail alone, in secrecy, and there were no press reports about it until after the fact. Given that Obama was on the biggest most publicized worldwide tour ever, and Germany is not the Green Zone where politicians can sneak in and out relatively free from media spotlight, doing the same thing at Lundstahl was essentially impossible. At any rate, read the <a href="http://bourbonroom.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/07/25/more-on-obama-and-landstuhl-latest-from-obama-camp/" rel="nofollow">transcript of the media session</a> where obama's rep answers detailed questions from the press about the entire affair. I found it satisfying of course but i think that even a reasonable critic of Obama should also find little to quibble here. Martin, I may be guilty of not extending McCain beneft of the doubt as often as I should, but I do try (and am willing to be called on it should I fall short). I hope you can extend the same effort to Obama. It should be noted that Obama did in fact visit injured troops at Walter Reed and at the hospital in Baghdad, but these visits were him and his security detail alone, in secrecy, and there were no press reports about it until after the fact. Given that Obama was on the biggest most publicized worldwide tour ever, and Germany is not the Green Zone where politicians can sneak in and out relatively free from media spotlight, doing the same thing at Lundstahl was essentially impossible.

At any rate, read the transcript of the media session where obama’s rep answers detailed questions from the press about the entire affair. I found it satisfying of course but i think that even a reasonable critic of Obama should also find little to quibble here.

]]> By: zach http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/26/the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-160196 zach Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:49:53 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/26/the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-160196 Martin, isn't it also possible that since Obama was in Germany entirely as a campaign stop that he decided to honor both the letter and spirit of the DoD's request?  Namely that even appearing with only senate staff (assuming they were even on the trip with him) would still constitute a de facto campaign event and Obama made a (gasp!) moral decision over a political one? Martin,

isn’t it also possible that since Obama was in Germany entirely as a campaign stop that he decided to honor both the letter and spirit of the DoD’s request?  Namely that even appearing with only senate staff (assuming they were even on the trip with him) would still constitute a de facto campaign event and Obama made a (gasp!) moral decision over a political one?

]]> By: Martin L. Shoemaker http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/26/the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-160190 Martin L. Shoemaker Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:04:59 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/26/the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-160190 I'm afraid I don't understand what is proven one way or another by highlighting a clause within an entirely fabricated quote (and I should know, since I'm the one who fabricated it). Just in case it wasn't clear: the italicized paragraph in my post was fabricated by me to demonstrate a point. It was <strong>not</strong> a quote from any news source. Most of it was exactly the quote Aziz cited; but the final sentence was entirely fabricated by myself. It never happened (though if Senator Obama were smart, it would have). I’m afraid I don’t understand what is proven one way or another by highlighting a clause within an entirely fabricated quote (and I should know, since I’m the one who fabricated it).

Just in case it wasn’t clear: the italicized paragraph in my post was fabricated by me to demonstrate a point. It was not a quote from any news source. Most of it was exactly the quote Aziz cited; but the final sentence was entirely fabricated by myself. It never happened (though if Senator Obama were smart, it would have).

]]> By: jrogge http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/26/the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-160188 jrogge Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:54:06 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/26/the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-160188 <em>Senator Obama elected to send his campaign staff on to their next stop, while <strong>he and his Senate staff met with the soldiers.</strong></em> Senator Obama elected to send his campaign staff on to their next stop, while he and his Senate staff met with the soldiers.

]]> By: Martin L. Shoemaker http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/26/the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-160177 Martin L. Shoemaker Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:13:30 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/26/the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-160177 Aziz, that still reflects poorly on Senator Obama's thinking. Imagine if instead the story went like this: <em>We have longstanding Department of Defense policy in regards to political campaigns and elections," Pentagon spokesperson Elizabeth Hibner told me. "We informed the Obama staff that he was more than welcome to visit as Senator Obama, with Senate staff. However, he could not conduct the visit with campaign staff." </em><em>After being told this, Senator Obama elected to send his campaign staff on to their next stop, while he and his Senate staff met with the soldiers.</em> The DoD didn't say, "Please don't visit." They said, "Please don't campaign." It was Senator Obama who decided, "Well, then, I guess I can't go." I know a campaign is a busy time, and a candidate's minutes -- heck, even seconds -- must be carefully allocated. But this time, the Senator blew it. He loaded the gun and handed it to his opposition, and is now complaining that the gun wasn't supposed to be loaded. Aziz, that still reflects poorly on Senator Obama’s thinking. Imagine if instead the story went like this:

We have longstanding Department of Defense policy in regards to political campaigns and elections," Pentagon spokesperson Elizabeth Hibner told me. "We informed the Obama staff that he was more than welcome to visit as Senator Obama, with Senate staff. However, he could not conduct the visit with campaign staff." After being told this, Senator Obama elected to send his campaign staff on to their next stop, while he and his Senate staff met with the soldiers.
The DoD didn’t say, "Please don’t visit." They said, "Please don’t campaign." It was Senator Obama who decided, "Well, then, I guess I can’t go."

I know a campaign is a busy time, and a candidate’s minutes — heck, even seconds — must be carefully allocated. But this time, the Senator blew it. He loaded the gun and handed it to his opposition, and is now complaining that the gun wasn’t supposed to be loaded.

]]> By: Bad http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/26/the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-160153 Bad Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:27:24 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/07/26/the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-160153 "Hey, if it can’t be a campaign event why should he be bothered?" If this is the sort of thing you're going to go in for, maybe you should stop pretending your opinions are based on evidence, rather than the other way around. <em>Bad's last blog post..<a href='http://badidea.wordpress.com/2008/07/26/ben-stein-everyone-i-dont-like-is-hitler/' rel="nofollow">Ben Stein: Everyone I Don't Like is Hitler, Obama Edition</a></em> "Hey, if it can’t be a campaign event why should he be bothered?"

If this is the sort of thing you’re going to go in for, maybe you should stop pretending your opinions are based on evidence, rather than the other way around.

Bad’s last blog post..Ben Stein: Everyone I Don’t Like is Hitler, Obama Edition

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