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		<title>By: Mc Kiernan</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/10/georgia-on-our-minds/#comment-160747</link>
		<dc:creator>Mc Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect to our current Secretary of State,
I must apologize.

Ms. Condie Rice has comported herself quite well in her press conference on CSPAN which I am currently viewing.

She mentioned , in fact, that the government of Primeminister Putin has done much more in military behavior, than to protect the citizens of South Ossetia in its aggression against Georgia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect to our current Secretary of State,<br />
I must apologize.</p>
<p>Ms. Condie Rice has comported herself quite well in her press conference on CSPAN which I am currently viewing.</p>
<p>She mentioned , in fact, that the government of Primeminister Putin has done much more in military behavior, than to protect the citizens of South Ossetia in its aggression against Georgia.</p>
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		<title>By: Mc Kiernan</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/10/georgia-on-our-minds/#comment-160746</link>
		<dc:creator>Mc Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arnold,

The ball is in your court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arnold,</p>
<p>The ball is in your court.</p>
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		<title>By: russianwerwolf</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/10/georgia-on-our-minds/#comment-160741</link>
		<dc:creator>russianwerwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;to Arnold Harris

Nice to hear good things from the feeling person... Thanks you for support!
+1
&lt;/em&gt; ps: Georgia, Osethia, Abhasia... is not provinces or states...  of United States of Amerika... Ñ‚ÐµÐ¼ Ð±Ð¾Ð»ÐµÐµ Ð Ð¾ÑÑÐ¸Ñ ;) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>to Arnold Harris</p>
<p>Nice to hear good things from the feeling person&#8230; Thanks you for support!<br />
+1<br />
</em> ps: Georgia, Osethia, Abhasia&#8230; is not provinces or states&#8230;  of United States of Amerika&#8230; Ñ‚ÐµÐ¼ Ð±Ð¾Ð»ÐµÐµ Ð Ð¾ÑÑÐ¸Ñ ;) </p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/10/georgia-on-our-minds/#comment-160740</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stalin and his &quot;non-aggression&quot; (that is, cooperation) pact with the Nazis played a major role in Hitler&#039;s confidence in starting World War II. Stalin&#039;s incompetence and inability to admit that Hitler had stabbed him in the back led directly to the deaths of millions of Russians. 

From the American and British perspective in that moment, it was more important to defeat Hitler than Stalin; but after World War II, both allies knew right away that Stalin was now the biggest threat to the world. Because he was.

As Churchill said, if Satan himself had invaded Berlin at the height of World War II, then the Prime Minister would feel compelled to say a kind word about the Devil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stalin and his &quot;non-aggression&quot; (that is, cooperation) pact with the Nazis played a major role in Hitler&#8217;s confidence in starting World War II. Stalin&#8217;s incompetence and inability to admit that Hitler had stabbed him in the back led directly to the deaths of millions of Russians. </p>
<p>From the American and British perspective in that moment, it was more important to defeat Hitler than Stalin; but after World War II, both allies knew right away that Stalin was now the biggest threat to the world. Because he was.</p>
<p>As Churchill said, if Satan himself had invaded Berlin at the height of World War II, then the Prime Minister would feel compelled to say a kind word about the Devil.</p>
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		<title>By: Mc Kiernan</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/10/georgia-on-our-minds/#comment-160738</link>
		<dc:creator>Mc Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2008/08/russias-hare-uns-tortoise.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;

Russia&#039;s the hare, the UN&#039;s the tortoise&lt;/a&gt;     


And USA are the &lt;strike&gt;smucks&lt;/strike&gt;  spectators.   &#160;  

But, but,  we were told that Condoleeza Rice is the ultimo Russian expert on these matters ? And she is the Secretary of State. 

&#160;Oh, well, never mind, Obama is gonna fix all this  because he a citizen of &lt;em&gt;the world&lt;/em&gt; and he thanked the people of Germany for something in his last speech there.   &#160;  &#160;

With all that money Obama has collected perhaps Barry could give a political speech in Tskhinvali, the capitol of South Ossetia. 

They have voters, so why not go ? Like Obama could even thank them for something as long as it gets into the MSM sound byte division.

Maybe, I got this all wrong. 

After all democracies do not go to war with other democracies according to Professor Reynolds and Dean Esmay.

And those are the guys with the charts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2008/08/russias-hare-uns-tortoise.html" rel="nofollow"></p>
<p>Russia&#8217;s the hare, the UN&#8217;s the tortoise</a>     </p>
<p>And USA are the <strike>smucks</strike>  spectators.   &nbsp;  </p>
<p>But, but,  we were told that Condoleeza Rice is the ultimo Russian expert on these matters ? And she is the Secretary of State. </p>
<p>&nbsp;Oh, well, never mind, Obama is gonna fix all this  because he a citizen of <em>the world</em> and he thanked the people of Germany for something in his last speech there.   &nbsp;  &nbsp;</p>
<p>With all that money Obama has collected perhaps Barry could give a political speech in Tskhinvali, the capitol of South Ossetia. </p>
<p>They have voters, so why not go ? Like Obama could even thank them for something as long as it gets into the MSM sound byte division.</p>
<p>Maybe, I got this all wrong. </p>
<p>After all democracies do not go to war with other democracies according to Professor Reynolds and Dean Esmay.</p>
<p>And those are the guys with the charts.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ron, I donâ€™t agree with you or with Dave Price over the role of the Soviet Union in liberating Russia from the Nazis during 1941-1945, nor about the Soviet role in eastern Europe from 1945-1991. Stalinâ€™s Russia was the only organized power that could defeat and destroy Hitlerâ€™s Germany. And during those years, that was all that counted. . . .    

Am I on Stalinâ€™s payroll as you suggest? Not really. But I respected him a lot more than Churchill and Rossevelt rolled up together. Those two were fighting their war from relatively protected sanctuaries, with the wealth of the western world to sustain them.  But Stalin knew that he, his government and his country had nobody else they could count on but the strength, bravery and steadfastness of purpose of the great russion nation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I can almost hear The Internationale playing in the back, Arnold, but you don&#039;t even remotely attempt to, much less refute, a single material fact about the role of Stalin, one of history&#039;s greatest mass murderers and the inventor of modern totalitarianism, in causing World War II.Â  Instead you seem to have some kind of weird fixation for what can only be described as, well, Communist propaganda regarding the role of the USSR in that war.Â  You have adjectives, but no facts, and evidently no moral compass whatsoever.

&lt;em&gt;Ron Coleman&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://likelihoodofsuccess.com/2008/08/13/bloggers-use-deoderants-eat-cupcakes/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bloggers use deoderants, eat cupcakes&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ron, I donâ€™t agree with you or with Dave Price over the role of the Soviet Union in liberating Russia from the Nazis during 1941-1945, nor about the Soviet role in eastern Europe from 1945-1991. Stalinâ€™s Russia was the only organized power that could defeat and destroy Hitlerâ€™s Germany. And during those years, that was all that counted. . . .    </p>
<p>Am I on Stalinâ€™s payroll as you suggest? Not really. But I respected him a lot more than Churchill and Rossevelt rolled up together. Those two were fighting their war from relatively protected sanctuaries, with the wealth of the western world to sustain them.  But Stalin knew that he, his government and his country had nobody else they could count on but the strength, bravery and steadfastness of purpose of the great russion nation.</p></blockquote>
<p>I can almost hear The Internationale playing in the back, Arnold, but you don&#8217;t even remotely attempt to, much less refute, a single material fact about the role of Stalin, one of history&#8217;s greatest mass murderers and the inventor of modern totalitarianism, in causing World War II.Â  Instead you seem to have some kind of weird fixation for what can only be described as, well, Communist propaganda regarding the role of the USSR in that war.Â  You have adjectives, but no facts, and evidently no moral compass whatsoever.</p>
<p><em>Ron Coleman&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://likelihoodofsuccess.com/2008/08/13/bloggers-use-deoderants-eat-cupcakes/' rel="nofollow">Bloggers use deoderants, eat cupcakes</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: ArnoldHarris</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/10/georgia-on-our-minds/#comment-160703</link>
		<dc:creator>ArnoldHarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, I don&#039;t agree with you or with Dave Price over the role of the Soviet Union in liberating Russia from the Nazis during 1941-1945, nor about the Soviet role in eastern Europe from 1945-1991. Stalin&#039;s Russia was the only organized power that could defeat and destroy Hitler&#039;s Germany. And during those years, that was all that counted.

The sovereignty of the Gruzim means about as much to meÂ in 2008 as the sovereignty of theÂ Mandan, Lakota, Sioux and BlackfootÂ indian tribes mattered to the government of the United States in 1876. WeÂ wanted to take their land in order to populate it with our own people, exploit its resources, andÂ drive away orÂ kill off anybody whoÂ could have contested the issue with our leaders of that era. 

We won because we had the power to enforce our will over the Indians, andÂ weÂ broke them in the process. That -- and no other reason -- is why we operate the United States of AmericaÂ inÂ 48Â statesÂ from coast to coast in aÂ temperate climate zone, plus our alaskan colony in the Arctic and ourÂ Â hawaiian colony in the central Pacific.

I am certain the modernÂ government ofÂ great Russia will treat the defeated and humbled GruzimÂ with infinitely more compassion and light-handedness than we ever accorded the degraded chieftains and warrior classes of the tribes of Indians whose societies we smashed and destroyed on the great plains of North American only 120 years ago.
Â 
OurÂ actions in aiding and arming the Mujahadeen inÂ soviet-controlled Afghanistan under Reagan and G W H Bush helped undermine theÂ Russian presence in that land, and with it, the Soviet Union as a whole.Â  Now we are still in the process of paying a major national price for that unwise intervention in someone else&#039;s back yard. There was no al-Qaeda in Afghanistan until we unwisely helped weaken the Russian control of that country.Â  And the muslim arab attack on New York and Washington on September 11, 2001 was just a small part of the price we are still paying for that policy.

I for one welcome back the re-emergence of Russian national power. If only to protect the stabilityÂ of their own borders, they will doÂ more than any meaningless collection of NATOs and other useless diplomatic fictions, for purposes of makingÂ sure the peace is kept in eastern Europe, the Caucasus, and among the turkish republics of south central Asia.

Am I on Stalin&#039;s payroll as you suggest? Not really. But I respected him a lot more than Churchill and Rossevelt rolled up together. Those two were fighting their war from relatively protected sanctuaries, with the wealth of the western world to sustain them.Â  But Stalin knew that he, his government and his country had nobody else they couldÂ count on but the strength, bravery and steadfastness of purpose of the great russion nation.

---------------------------------
Russianwerwolf, my wife grew up in Hrvatska and was taught to read your cyrillic alphabet and with it, Russian as well as Serbian. So she translated your statement to me. I wish your soldiers success in protecting theÂ Ossetins and those Gruzim who wish to live in peace with Russia.

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, I don&#8217;t agree with you or with Dave Price over the role of the Soviet Union in liberating Russia from the Nazis during 1941-1945, nor about the Soviet role in eastern Europe from 1945-1991. Stalin&#8217;s Russia was the only organized power that could defeat and destroy Hitler&#8217;s Germany. And during those years, that was all that counted.</p>
<p>The sovereignty of the Gruzim means about as much to meÂ in 2008 as the sovereignty of theÂ Mandan, Lakota, Sioux and BlackfootÂ indian tribes mattered to the government of the United States in 1876. WeÂ wanted to take their land in order to populate it with our own people, exploit its resources, andÂ drive away orÂ kill off anybody whoÂ could have contested the issue with our leaders of that era. </p>
<p>We won because we had the power to enforce our will over the Indians, andÂ weÂ broke them in the process. That &#8212; and no other reason &#8212; is why we operate the United States of AmericaÂ inÂ 48Â statesÂ from coast to coast in aÂ temperate climate zone, plus our alaskan colony in the Arctic and ourÂ Â hawaiian colony in the central Pacific.</p>
<p>I am certain the modernÂ government ofÂ great Russia will treat the defeated and humbled GruzimÂ with infinitely more compassion and light-handedness than we ever accorded the degraded chieftains and warrior classes of the tribes of Indians whose societies we smashed and destroyed on the great plains of North American only 120 years ago.<br />
Â <br />
OurÂ actions in aiding and arming the Mujahadeen inÂ soviet-controlled Afghanistan under Reagan and G W H Bush helped undermine theÂ Russian presence in that land, and with it, the Soviet Union as a whole.Â  Now we are still in the process of paying a major national price for that unwise intervention in someone else&#8217;s back yard. There was no al-Qaeda in Afghanistan until we unwisely helped weaken the Russian control of that country.Â  And the muslim arab attack on New York and Washington on September 11, 2001 was just a small part of the price we are still paying for that policy.</p>
<p>I for one welcome back the re-emergence of Russian national power. If only to protect the stabilityÂ of their own borders, they will doÂ more than any meaningless collection of NATOs and other useless diplomatic fictions, for purposes of makingÂ sure the peace is kept in eastern Europe, the Caucasus, and among the turkish republics of south central Asia.</p>
<p>Am I on Stalin&#8217;s payroll as you suggest? Not really. But I respected him a lot more than Churchill and Rossevelt rolled up together. Those two were fighting their war from relatively protected sanctuaries, with the wealth of the western world to sustain them.Â  But Stalin knew that he, his government and his country had nobody else they couldÂ count on but the strength, bravery and steadfastness of purpose of the great russion nation.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Russianwerwolf, my wife grew up in Hrvatska and was taught to read your cyrillic alphabet and with it, Russian as well as Serbian. So she translated your statement to me. I wish your soldiers success in protecting theÂ Ossetins and those Gruzim who wish to live in peace with Russia.</p>
<p>Arnold Harris<br />
Mount Horeb WI</p>
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		<title>By: Igara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Igara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Georgian armed formations on the last Monday ran from Gori without any organization and in a full panic. About it the British newspaper The Times writes to Tuesday.
 Gori, - marks the edition, - has been thrown by the Georgian army without a uniform shot, and deviation was unexpected for local residents.
&quot; Lorries and the jeeps filled by soldiers of the Georgian army left aside Tbilisi, and military men shouted from machines to local residents that those too left &quot;, - the newspaper writes.
How informs &quot;Interfax&quot;, according to the correspondent of the edition, the Georgian military men looked absolutely demoralized and lost will to resistance.
As the newspaper writes, a part of inhabitants Burn is not going to escape from city. In particular, words of the 70-years woman by name Ð­Ñ‚ÐµÑ€Ð¸ are given: &quot; I am not afraid. We 100 years lived with Russian, and I do not understand, for what this war. Americans are not necessary to me. I wish to live in the world with Russia &quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Georgian armed formations on the last Monday ran from Gori without any organization and in a full panic. About it the British newspaper The Times writes to Tuesday.<br />
 Gori, &#8211; marks the edition, &#8211; has been thrown by the Georgian army without a uniform shot, and deviation was unexpected for local residents.<br />
&quot; Lorries and the jeeps filled by soldiers of the Georgian army left aside Tbilisi, and military men shouted from machines to local residents that those too left &quot;, &#8211; the newspaper writes.<br />
How informs &quot;Interfax&quot;, according to the correspondent of the edition, the Georgian military men looked absolutely demoralized and lost will to resistance.<br />
As the newspaper writes, a part of inhabitants Burn is not going to escape from city. In particular, words of the 70-years woman by name Ð­Ñ‚ÐµÑ€Ð¸ are given: &quot; I am not afraid. We 100 years lived with Russian, and I do not understand, for what this war. Americans are not necessary to me. I wish to live in the world with Russia &quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: Igara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Igara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;to ArnoldHarris&lt;/strong&gt;
Thanks! You rigth!!!
&gt;&gt;The Ossetins have as much right to pull loose 
&gt;&gt;from Gruzia as the latter had to pull loose 
&gt;&gt;from Russia. Or that the Albanci of Kosova 
&gt;&gt;had to secede from Serbia.
to other commenters:
why the USA participated in  division of Serbia and separation of Kosovo but against section of Georgia and independence of Ossetia and Abkhazia???
it is politic of double standarts - one for the &quot;enemy&quot; and other for the &quot;friends&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>to ArnoldHarris</strong><br />
Thanks! You rigth!!!<br />
&gt;&gt;The Ossetins have as much right to pull loose<br />
&gt;&gt;from Gruzia as the latter had to pull loose<br />
&gt;&gt;from Russia. Or that the Albanci of Kosova<br />
&gt;&gt;had to secede from Serbia.<br />
to other commenters:<br />
why the USA participated in  division of Serbia and separation of Kosovo but against section of Georgia and independence of Ossetia and Abkhazia???<br />
it is politic of double standarts &#8211; one for the &quot;enemy&quot; and other for the &quot;friends&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arnold, we&#039;ve &lt;a href=&quot;../../../05/28/whats-the-real-significance-of-obamas-nazi-gaffe/#comment-157052&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;been through this&lt;/a&gt;.Â  And it&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;../../../05/28/whats-the-real-significance-of-obamas-nazi-gaffe/#comment-157042&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;not only me&lt;/a&gt; saying so.Â  Are you on Stalin&#039;s publicity payroll or something?

&lt;em&gt;Ron Coleman&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://likelihoodofsuccess.com/2008/08/11/with-donation-like-that/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;With donations like that?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arnold, we&#8217;ve <a href="../../../05/28/whats-the-real-significance-of-obamas-nazi-gaffe/#comment-157052" rel="nofollow">been through this</a>.Â  And it&#8217;s <a href="../../../05/28/whats-the-real-significance-of-obamas-nazi-gaffe/#comment-157042" rel="nofollow">not only me</a> saying so.Â  Are you on Stalin&#8217;s publicity payroll or something?</p>
<p><em>Ron Coleman&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://likelihoodofsuccess.com/2008/08/11/with-donation-like-that/' rel="nofollow">With donations like that?</a></em></p>
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