Comments on: The Experience Question http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/29/the-experience-question/ Defending the liberal tradition in history, science, and philosophy. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:24:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: P Mike http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/29/the-experience-question/#comment-161393 P Mike Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:19:11 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/29/the-experience-question/#comment-161393 Somewhere recently I heard an official say that senator-ship experience is not as valid for POTUS as mayoral or governership experience.  First time I'd heard it, and it makes VERY good sense.  Congress passes laws (based on general principles) that have to be implemented somehow, and the executive branch gets to figure it out, with (of course) the U.S. population at large dealing with the consequences.  <em><strong>SOAPBOX ASIDE: Once upon a time I did some research (a.k.a reading) about the Code of Federal Regulations, and it is kind of scary how quickly CFR has come to rule our lives from D.C.</strong></em>  It would be a good idea if all congressional experience were disregarded in assessing Presidential qualifications (except inasmuch as the record shows beliefs, biases, and character).  Being a Congressional representative man does not really qualify anyone to do anything except be a Congressional representative (or lobbyist).  By my count, there is only one of the candidates (VP or P) that has governing experience. Somewhere recently I heard an official say that senator-ship experience is not as valid for POTUS as mayoral or governership experience.  First time I’d heard it, and it makes VERY good sense.  Congress passes laws (based on general principles) that have to be implemented somehow, and the executive branch gets to figure it out, with (of course) the U.S. population at large dealing with the consequences.  SOAPBOX ASIDE: Once upon a time I did some research (a.k.a reading) about the Code of Federal Regulations, and it is kind of scary how quickly CFR has come to rule our lives from D.C.  It would be a good idea if all congressional experience were disregarded in assessing Presidential qualifications (except inasmuch as the record shows beliefs, biases, and character).  Being a Congressional representative man does not really qualify anyone to do anything except be a Congressional representative (or lobbyist).  By my count, there is only one of the candidates (VP or P) that has governing experience.

]]> By: Bad http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/29/the-experience-question/#comment-161352 Bad Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:16:27 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/29/the-experience-question/#comment-161352 "Your comment equating McCain’s statements about Obama’s experience and Palin’s would make sense if they were RUNNING FOR THE SAME OFFICE!"No, it makes sense because those are the arguments the McCain campaign has made about what is required to lead.  The VP is not merely a symbolic slot: it's the person who has to be ready to lead if the President is incapacitated.   If McCain thinks that it's fine if Palin leads the country in the event of him being incapacitated, then his campaign's fears (and by proxy those that parrot them) are de facto full of crap. Not that this should surprise anyone.   These are not principles that people are espousing.  They're merely poses.    "Your comment equating McCain’s statements about Obama’s experience and Palin’s would make sense if they were RUNNING FOR THE SAME OFFICE!"No, it makes sense because those are the arguments the McCain campaign has made about what is required to lead.  The VP is not merely a symbolic slot: it’s the person who has to be ready to lead if the President is incapacitated.   If McCain thinks that it’s fine if Palin leads the country in the event of him being incapacitated, then his campaign’s fears (and by proxy those that parrot them) are de facto full of crap. Not that this should surprise anyone.   These are not principles that people are espousing.  They’re merely poses.   

]]> By: CosmicConservative http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/29/the-experience-question/#comment-161318 CosmicConservative Sun, 31 Aug 2008 08:02:07 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/29/the-experience-question/#comment-161318 Why is anyone bothering to try to debate with Mikeca? When are you going to learn that he isn't interested in learning? He ALREADY KNOWS EVERYTHING. <em>CosmicConservative's last blog post..<a href='http://www.cosmicconservative.com/weblog/?p=4004' rel="nofollow">Funny bumper sticker</a></em> Why is anyone bothering to try to debate with Mikeca? When are you going to learn that he isn’t interested in learning? He ALREADY KNOWS EVERYTHING.

CosmicConservative’s last blog post..Funny bumper sticker

]]> By: Kevin D. http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/29/the-experience-question/#comment-161317 Kevin D. Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:03:48 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/29/the-experience-question/#comment-161317 <blockquote>For example, her positions on global warming, creationism and stem cell research. It looks like she is another Republican who believes political ideology trumps science.</blockquote> And you look like just another liberal that has difficulty distinguishing fantasy from reality. 1. Liberals believe the debate on global warming to be closed.  Science never closes off debate.  And there is anything but the ever popular "consensus." 2.  I'm sure Palin doesn't oppose stem cell research.  You are simply unwilling to say what she really opposes - <em>embryonic</em> stem cell research.  The only type of research that ends life and, by the way, in all the years of that kind of research has never produced one cure.  Wheras adult stem cell and cord blood research has. 3. I can give you a list of thousands upon thousands of scientists that support Creationism.  Scientists that aren't even Christian!  Scientists from Ivy League schools, heads of departments, professors, and more.  And Palin clairified her statement to mean debate of alternate views.  You know, what <em>real</em> science does - not the ideology in a lab coat you want to shovel. Hey, I know someone you should talk to: Mikeca, this is Clear Thinking; Clear Thinking, this is Mikeca. I'll leave you two to discuss...

For example, her positions on global warming, creationism and stem cell research. It looks like she is another Republican who believes political ideology trumps science.

And you look like just another liberal that has difficulty distinguishing fantasy from reality.

1. Liberals believe the debate on global warming to be closed.  Science never closes off debate.  And there is anything but the ever popular "consensus."

2.  I’m sure Palin doesn’t oppose stem cell research.  You are simply unwilling to say what she really opposes – embryonic stem cell research.  The only type of research that ends life and, by the way, in all the years of that kind of research has never produced one cure.  Wheras adult stem cell and cord blood research has.

3. I can give you a list of thousands upon thousands of scientists that support Creationism.  Scientists that aren’t even Christian!  Scientists from Ivy League schools, heads of departments, professors, and more.  And Palin clairified her statement to mean debate of alternate views.  You know, what real science does – not the ideology in a lab coat you want to shovel.

Hey, I know someone you should talk to:

Mikeca, this is Clear Thinking; Clear Thinking, this is Mikeca.

I’ll leave you two to discuss…

]]> By: mikeca http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/29/the-experience-question/#comment-161316 mikeca Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:09:39 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/29/the-experience-question/#comment-161316 <em>Mikeca, are you arguing that Obama is sufficiently experienced for the #1 slot while Palin is unquestionably too inexperienced even for the #2 slot, or are you planning on voting for a third party candidate?</em> Actually, I think experience is overrated.  This is especially true when it is experience at being wrong. It was the McCain campaign that was making the argument that Obama was not "experienced" enough to be president. For McCain then to pick a VP candidate that is even less experienced than Obama, seems very odd. It really raises questions about McCain's judgment and seriousness. Palin, is essentially a complete unknown. As far as I can see, she never thought seriously about being VP. She doesn't even seem to have a position on many issues. The issues she does have a position on, I don't like her position. For example, her positions on global warming, creationism and stem cell research. It looks like she is another Republican who believes political ideology trumps science. Mikeca, are you arguing that Obama is sufficiently experienced for the #1 slot while Palin is unquestionably too inexperienced even for the #2 slot, or are you planning on voting for a third party candidate?

Actually, I think experience is overrated.  This is especially true when it is experience at being wrong.

It was the McCain campaign that was making the argument that Obama was not "experienced" enough to be president. For McCain then to pick a VP candidate that is even less experienced than Obama, seems very odd. It really raises questions about McCain’s judgment and seriousness.

Palin, is essentially a complete unknown. As far as I can see, she never thought seriously about being VP. She doesn’t even seem to have a position on many issues. The issues she does have a position on, I don’t like her position. For example, her positions on global warming, creationism and stem cell research. It looks like she is another Republican who believes political ideology trumps science.

]]> By: Maniakes http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/29/the-experience-question/#comment-161314 Maniakes Sun, 31 Aug 2008 04:40:13 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/29/the-experience-question/#comment-161314 Mikeca, are you arguing that Obama is sufficiently experienced for the #1 slot while Palin is unquestionably too inexperienced even for the #2 slot, or are you planning on voting for a third party candidate? Mikeca, are you arguing that Obama is sufficiently experienced for the #1 slot while Palin is unquestionably too inexperienced even for the #2 slot, or are you planning on voting for a third party candidate?

]]> By: Acksiom http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/29/the-experience-question/#comment-161313 Acksiom Sun, 31 Aug 2008 03:38:44 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/29/the-experience-question/#comment-161313 Made ya flinch! Made ya flinch!

]]> By: mikeca http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/29/the-experience-question/#comment-161312 mikeca Sun, 31 Aug 2008 03:27:25 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/29/the-experience-question/#comment-161312 <em>Panicky screeching The moonbat flaps through the night Three posts in a row </em> And I have not even mentioned what the real moonbats are talking about, unless you want to argue Karl Rove is a moonbat. This is so silly, but if you want a laugh you can read this: http://www.halfsigma.com/2008/08/daily-kos-diary-on-sarah-palin-pregnancy-cover-up.html Panicky screeching
The moonbat flaps through the night
Three posts in a row

And I have not even mentioned what the real moonbats are talking about, unless you want to argue Karl Rove is a moonbat.

This is so silly, but if you want a laugh you can read this: http://www.halfsigma.com/2008/08/daily-kos-diary-on-sarah-palin-pregnancy-cover-up.html

]]> By: Acksiom http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/29/the-experience-question/#comment-161311 Acksiom Sun, 31 Aug 2008 03:06:07 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/29/the-experience-question/#comment-161311 Panicky screeching The moonbat flaps through the night Three posts in a row Panicky screeching
The moonbat flaps through the night
Three posts in a row

]]> By: mikeca http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/29/the-experience-question/#comment-161310 mikeca Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:52:55 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/08/29/the-experience-question/#comment-161310 This is what Karl Rove had to say on Face The Nation before Obama announced is VP selection: "I think [Obama's] going to make an intensely political choice, not a governing choice. He's going to view this through the prism of a candidate, not through the prism of president; that is to say, he's going to pick somebody that he thinks will on the margin help him in a state like Indiana or Missouri or Virginia. He's not going to be thinking big and broad about the responsibilities of president." Rove then singled out Virginia governor Tim Kaine: "With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he's been a governor for three years, he's been able but undistinguished. I don't think people could really name a big, important thing that he's done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America." This is what Karl Rove had to say on Face The Nation before Obama announced is VP selection:

"I think [Obama's] going to make an intensely political choice, not a governing choice. He’s going to view this through the prism of a candidate, not through the prism of president; that is to say, he’s going to pick somebody that he thinks will on the margin help him in a state like Indiana or Missouri or Virginia. He’s not going to be thinking big and broad about the responsibilities of president."

Rove then singled out Virginia governor Tim Kaine:

"With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he’s been a governor for three years, he’s been able but undistinguished. I don’t think people could really name a big, important thing that he’s done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America."

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