The nerve of that brainwashed cultist woman…
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Dean,
Didn’t you know? It’s quite all right for Democrats to invoke God or even campaign in Churches, but if Republicans do it it’s a sign of imminent "ChristoFacism".
/snark
The reality should be that any pol should be able to honestly call on his own faith to pray for the best for this country and that we are following the right course.
I am not a believer. At least not in natural phenomena that most of you would identify as something to be venerated, whereas I would look at it as something to be studied and understood. But most people either are hardwired to belief or are culturated that way.
So praying to your deity — or multiples of the same — if that’s what your religion calls for, not only is perfectly acceptable, but probably is socially useful as well.
And who can tell. Maybe it even helps bring about whatever you are praying for.
In any case, as I have written here before, I am so smitten by Governor Sarah Palin, that I would want her to win the election even if she were to poke a stick in the sand and walk circles around it, mumbling prayers.
It’s American identity that I’m voting for in this election. She and McCain are the very essence of that. Their competitors are at best questionable, and more likely, hostile to much of what I consider the essence of the United States of America.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
Dean,
It’s fine when democrats do it because everyone knows that they don’t mean it. Republicans, by contrast, might be serious when they invoke God.
When we start saying that the Iraq war is a "task from God" we border on Fascism. One religion, one language, one country right?
That comment was not only about praying, it was about declaring that the Iraq War is a task from God. What happened on 911 was a "task from God" too.
This attempts to compare prayers for our troops to the statement that the war is a task from God and call them the same. These are two different things and are not the same action or statement.
There’s a difference between, "May God help us in our struggle to keep our republic together and eliminate this threat"and "Bless our troops who have been sent out on a task from God."
The other presidents are not saying the troops are on a task from God they are asking for God’s blessing on a task that our troops have been sent out on by the United States. When you start saying that we are on a task from God instead of asking for his blessing on something you embarked on it takes on a whole new meaning.
JRogge: It’s pretty clear to me just viewing the video that she never called this a "task from God." Indeed, she’s saying exactly what you describe others as saying.
When we start saying that the Iraq war is a "task from God" we border on Fascism. One religion, one language, one country right?
I don’t think even the best spin masters could twist Gov. Palin’s words to suggest she wants "one religion". But what problem have you with the idea that the U.S. should be "one country" (in the sense of a united country)? I guess the idea that American citizens should recognize a commonality amongst themselves and not descend in balkanization with the resulting internecine wars is just one step from Hitler and his goose-steppers in your eyes.
She says, "our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God" right on the video man.
I don’t think even the best spin masters could twist Gov. Palin’s words to suggest she wants "one religion".
Nope that was sarcasm, there are many "conservatives" (I put it in quotes because they are really wingnuts who want ANYTHING BUT the status quo) who do want one religion. They even write books about defending internment and such. You should read what your colleagues, that are the main spreaders of this new ideology, are writing. It is scary stuff.
Throwing religion into a speech in this fashion borders on fascism. There is a definate difference between the speeches.
JRogge: Word for word quote as I hear it, which you can verify by watching again:
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right; also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan. So bless them with your prayers, your prayers of protection over our soldiers."
I don’t really see how anyone can spin that into this being a Holy War or a declaration that they’re doing God’s work. It quite obviously invokes the same thing that countless leaders have said, although I think it was originally Lincoln, who said that we should pray that God is on our side.
If you hear it different, can you explain how you hear it different?
"In any case, as I have written here before, I am so smitten by Governor Sarah Palin, that I would want her to win the election even if she were to poke a stick in the sand and walk circles around it, mumbling prayers."
Arnold,
…if she were to poke a stick in the sand and walk circles around it, mumbling prayers…
I am laughing so much. I think that is so very funny. I would have to agree with you because I too am smitten, in a woman to woman kind of way
JRogge,
Dean is right. Word for word, and on the whole of her statement, it is no different than what both Clinton and JFK prayed for.
Dean,
Thanks for the text. I was googling for that but could not find it.
jrogge,
As you can see from Dean’s text if you take that fragment of a sentence it means something radically different than what Gov Palin intended and what an honest reader would interpret if they had read the whole quote. Gov Palin was right, Gibson misquoted her.
Finally, it shows exactly the kind of humility we would want from a devoutly religious person in a secular society and is a perfect sign that the person saying it is not some violent religious fanatic as you are trying to portray Gov Palin.
BTW jrogge,
You really need to learn what the term "Facism" means, and the definition offered up by the Krazy Kos Kidz isn’t correct.
I have no problem with any leader saying, "God is on our side!"Â As long as they quickly follow it up with an ice cold shower of, "I hope…"
This is pretty much what Palin did. And this is something leaders should do. No one wants to hear, "God isn’t with us on this one but we’re gonna do it anyway!" So, yes, a leader should say God is on our side but then make it clear that making sure we’re on His side is important as well – if not more important.
But, if you’re looking for a Palin gotcha moment, thinking deeply isn’t exactly in your tool box anyway.
All I did was listen to the recording and transcribe it myself.
Unless there’s something that’s been edited out of the video, there’s nothing there to bug anyone except maybe Angry Atheists who hate all references to God.
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