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		<title>By: Yu-Ain Gonnano</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/09/24/mccain-vs-new-york-times/#comment-162848</link>
		<dc:creator>Yu-Ain Gonnano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, let&#039;s do the math.

Fannie Mae paid D&amp;M $500k over three years.Â  Typical gross profit margins are around 10%.Â  So D&amp;M made $50k before taxes.Â  Let&#039;s say that corporate taxes are 30% so net profits are $35k.Â  Furthermore, lets say that Davis holds roughly half ownership of D&amp;M and recieved took home about $18k over a 3 year period.

OMG!!!!! Davis made a whopping $6k per year from Fannie Mae!!!Â  HOLY F&amp;CK!NG SHIT BATMAN!

And given he does own half the company he probably isn&#039;t making middle class wages either. He&#039;s probably pulling in some serious cheese.Â  Let&#039;s say he&#039;s making $500k/year.Â  

You really mean to tell me that Davis pulling in aÂ GINORMOUS 1% of his income from Fannie makes him every bit dirty as Fannie Mae&#039;sÂ frakin Chairman? Really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, let&#8217;s do the math.</p>
<p>Fannie Mae paid D&amp;M $500k over three years.Â  Typical gross profit margins are around 10%.Â  So D&amp;M made $50k before taxes.Â  Let&#8217;s say that corporate taxes are 30% so net profits are $35k.Â  Furthermore, lets say that Davis holds roughly half ownership of D&amp;M and recieved took home about $18k over a 3 year period.</p>
<p>OMG!!!!! Davis made a whopping $6k per year from Fannie Mae!!!Â  HOLY F&amp;CK!NG SHIT BATMAN!</p>
<p>And given he does own half the company he probably isn&#8217;t making middle class wages either. He&#8217;s probably pulling in some serious cheese.Â  Let&#8217;s say he&#8217;s making $500k/year.Â  </p>
<p>You really mean to tell me that Davis pulling in aÂ GINORMOUS 1% of his income from Fannie makes him every bit dirty as Fannie Mae&#8217;sÂ frakin Chairman? Really?</p>
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		<title>By: mikeca</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/09/24/mccain-vs-new-york-times/#comment-162770</link>
		<dc:creator>mikeca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The presence of an individualâ€™s name within a company name does not signify any current relationship.Â  For example, Strauss, Wells, Edison and BellÂ are no longer involved in the companies bearing their names.&lt;/em&gt;

Rick Davis is the treasurer and a corporate director ofÂ  Davis &amp; Manafort.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/160713</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The presence of an individualâ€™s name within a company name does not signify any current relationship.Â  For example, Strauss, Wells, Edison and BellÂ are no longer involved in the companies bearing their names.</em></p>
<p>Rick Davis is the treasurer and a corporate director ofÂ  Davis &amp; Manafort.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/160713" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsweek.com/id/160713</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dishman</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/09/24/mccain-vs-new-york-times/#comment-162762</link>
		<dc:creator>Dishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Who do you think the â€˜Davisâ€™ is in Davis &amp; Manafort?&lt;/em&gt; 

The presence of an individual&#039;s name within a company name does not signify any current relationship.Â  For example, Strauss, Wells, Edison and BellÂ are no longer involved in the companies bearing their names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Who do you think the â€˜Davisâ€™ is in Davis &amp; Manafort?</em> </p>
<p>The presence of an individual&#8217;s name within a company name does not signify any current relationship.Â  For example, Strauss, Wells, Edison and BellÂ are no longer involved in the companies bearing their names.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/09/24/mccain-vs-new-york-times/#comment-162744</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The NY Times got it right in 1999&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: bold&quot;&gt;In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980&#039;s.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260" rel="nofollow">The NY Times got it right in 1999</a>.</p>
<p><em><span style="font-weight: bold">In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980&#8242;s.</span></em></p>
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		<title>By: mikeca</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/09/24/mccain-vs-new-york-times/#comment-162736</link>
		<dc:creator>mikeca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Secondly, they pull the same â€˜nefariousâ€™ connection.Â  That is that paying Davis &amp; Manafort = paying Davis even though Davis no longer works there.

If you want to claim that Davis has committed the sin of owning stock in a company that is effected by Fannie Mae, then, well, Iâ€™m sure thatâ€™s true of most everyone.Â  &lt;a href=&quot;http://onlineslangdictionary.com/definition+of/bfd&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BFD&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Who do you think the &#039;Davis&#039; is in Davis &amp; Manafort? 

It is not like owning stock in a company. Don&#039;t be naive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Secondly, they pull the same â€˜nefariousâ€™ connection.Â  That is that paying Davis &amp; Manafort = paying Davis even though Davis no longer works there.</p>
<p>If you want to claim that Davis has committed the sin of owning stock in a company that is effected by Fannie Mae, then, well, Iâ€™m sure thatâ€™s true of most everyone.Â  <a href="http://onlineslangdictionary.com/definition+of/bfd" rel="nofollow">BFD</a></em></p>
<p>Who do you think the &#8216;Davis&#8217; is in Davis &amp; Manafort? </p>
<p>It is not like owning stock in a company. Don&#8217;t be naive.</p>
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		<title>By: Yu-Ain Gonnano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yu-Ain Gonnano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t checked the AP article yet, but newsweek seems to be sourcing it&#039;s article on the NY Times as well.

Secondly, they pull the same &#039;nefarious&#039; connection.Â  That is that paying Davis &amp; Manafort = paying Davis even though Davis no longer works there.

If you want to claim that Davis has committed the sin of owning stock in a company that is effected by Fannie Mae, then, well, I&#039;m sure that&#039;s true of most everyone.Â  &lt;a href=&quot;http://onlineslangdictionary.com/definition+of/bfd&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BFD&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t checked the AP article yet, but newsweek seems to be sourcing it&#8217;s article on the NY Times as well.</p>
<p>Secondly, they pull the same &#8216;nefarious&#8217; connection.Â  That is that paying Davis &amp; Manafort = paying Davis even though Davis no longer works there.</p>
<p>If you want to claim that Davis has committed the sin of owning stock in a company that is effected by Fannie Mae, then, well, I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s true of most everyone.Â  <a href="http://onlineslangdictionary.com/definition+of/bfd" rel="nofollow">BFD</a></p>
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		<title>By: mikeca</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/09/24/mccain-vs-new-york-times/#comment-162727</link>
		<dc:creator>mikeca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Do you have some kind of credible source for that, or are you relying on The New York Times to defend The New York Times?&lt;/em&gt;

Newsweek:

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/24/on-davis-s-ties-to-freddie-mac-mccain-gets-boomeranged.aspx

AP:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jnhZ5ehM97b5g022vv1cHSheTh1gD93CV4F80

Basically, when Davis put out a statement earlier this week or last week that he had no connection to Freddie or Fanny since 2005, some Freddie Mac insiders who knew better decided to talk to the press. They appear to have to talked to Mike Isikoff at Newsweek, and an AP reporter as well as NYT reporters.

The McCain denial is a non-denial denial. It is a forceful statement that denies something different than what the NYT article said. The naive reader might believe they are denying what the NYT story said, but they are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Do you have some kind of credible source for that, or are you relying on The New York Times to defend The New York Times?</em></p>
<p>Newsweek:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/24/on-davis-s-ties-to-freddie-mac-mccain-gets-boomeranged.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/24/on-davis-s-ties-to-freddie-mac-mccain-gets-boomeranged.aspx</a></p>
<p>AP:</p>
<p><a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jnhZ5ehM97b5g022vv1cHSheTh1gD93CV4F80" rel="nofollow">http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jnhZ5ehM97b5g022vv1cHSheTh1gD93CV4F80</a></p>
<p>Basically, when Davis put out a statement earlier this week or last week that he had no connection to Freddie or Fanny since 2005, some Freddie Mac insiders who knew better decided to talk to the press. They appear to have to talked to Mike Isikoff at Newsweek, and an AP reporter as well as NYT reporters.</p>
<p>The McCain denial is a non-denial denial. It is a forceful statement that denies something different than what the NYT article said. The naive reader might believe they are denying what the NYT story said, but they are not.</p>
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		<title>By: CosmicConservative</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/09/24/mccain-vs-new-york-times/#comment-162718</link>
		<dc:creator>CosmicConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dish:

Surely this is exactly what you expected from mike, isn&#039;t it?

Mike has taken Obama&#039;s command to &quot;take it to the enemy&quot; to heart. He&#039;s a good soldier.

&lt;em&gt;CosmicConservative&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.cosmicconservative.com/weblog/?p=4114&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cosmic&#039;s iPod Sampler?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dish:</p>
<p>Surely this is exactly what you expected from mike, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Mike has taken Obama&#8217;s command to &quot;take it to the enemy&quot; to heart. He&#8217;s a good soldier.</p>
<p><em>CosmicConservative&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.cosmicconservative.com/weblog/?p=4114' rel="nofollow">Cosmic&#8217;s iPod Sampler?</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Dishman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mikeca,

Do you have some kind of credible source for that, or are you relying on The New York Times to defend The New York Times?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mikeca,</p>
<p>Do you have some kind of credible source for that, or are you relying on The New York Times to defend The New York Times?</p>
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		<title>By: mikeca</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/09/24/mccain-vs-new-york-times/#comment-162694</link>
		<dc:creator>mikeca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, come on, please. The McCain campaign has just been caught red handed mis-leading the public about their connections to Freddie Mac. Now they are trying to attack the messenger that caught them.

Ok, Rick Davis has not drawn a salary or &quot;compensation&quot; from Davis Manafort, but he still is an owner of the firm. This is a very strange arrangement. Freddie Mac was paying $15,000 a month over 3 years to Davis Manafort, a total of almost $500,000, for nothing. Davis Manafort was apparently not doing anything for Freddie Mac. What on earth did Freddie Mac think it was getting for this money? In all likelyhood they thought they were buy access to McCain and other top Republican figures. 

The whole excuse that Rick Davis has not gotten any compensation from Davis Manafort is nonsense. He still owns the firm. He can recieve differed compensation from this in the future.

That is why the McCain campaign is now screaming like crazy, because they have been caught red handed.

Of course there are lots of Democrats that were taking money from Freddie too, so it is no big deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, come on, please. The McCain campaign has just been caught red handed mis-leading the public about their connections to Freddie Mac. Now they are trying to attack the messenger that caught them.</p>
<p>Ok, Rick Davis has not drawn a salary or &quot;compensation&quot; from Davis Manafort, but he still is an owner of the firm. This is a very strange arrangement. Freddie Mac was paying $15,000 a month over 3 years to Davis Manafort, a total of almost $500,000, for nothing. Davis Manafort was apparently not doing anything for Freddie Mac. What on earth did Freddie Mac think it was getting for this money? In all likelyhood they thought they were buy access to McCain and other top Republican figures. </p>
<p>The whole excuse that Rick Davis has not gotten any compensation from Davis Manafort is nonsense. He still owns the firm. He can recieve differed compensation from this in the future.</p>
<p>That is why the McCain campaign is now screaming like crazy, because they have been caught red handed.</p>
<p>Of course there are lots of Democrats that were taking money from Freddie too, so it is no big deal.</p>
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