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	<title>Comments on: More Fun Felonies From Obama Supporters</title>
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		<title>By: jrogge</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/10/15/more-fun-felonies-from-obama-supporters/#comment-163824</link>
		<dc:creator>jrogge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll start getting agitated when these teens start throwing Molotov Cocktails at police and people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll start getting agitated when these teens start throwing Molotov Cocktails at police and people.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Reid</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/10/15/more-fun-felonies-from-obama-supporters/#comment-163783</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you search, you will see cases of Obama signs having been burned without the consent of their owners.Â  In that case, I was indeed comparing apples to apples.Â  It&#039;s not possible to know for sure that they were burned by McCain supporters unless the perpetrators are caught, but the same applies to the original news item; it doesn&#039;t give the perpetrator or the motive for the crime, so we can&#039;t be sure it was an Obama supporter (yet).Â  I may well turn out to have been, and I condemn it in any case as theft is always wrong, but we don&#039;t know yet.

I agree that the hanging in effigy is not illegal, so maybe it&#039;s a better example for the other thread about niceness rather than for this one which is about illegal acts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you search, you will see cases of Obama signs having been burned without the consent of their owners.Â  In that case, I was indeed comparing apples to apples.Â  It&#8217;s not possible to know for sure that they were burned by McCain supporters unless the perpetrators are caught, but the same applies to the original news item; it doesn&#8217;t give the perpetrator or the motive for the crime, so we can&#8217;t be sure it was an Obama supporter (yet).Â  I may well turn out to have been, and I condemn it in any case as theft is always wrong, but we don&#8217;t know yet.</p>
<p>I agree that the hanging in effigy is not illegal, so maybe it&#8217;s a better example for the other thread about niceness rather than for this one which is about illegal acts.</p>
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		<title>By: Dishman</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/10/15/more-fun-felonies-from-obama-supporters/#comment-163781</link>
		<dc:creator>Dishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Burning someone else&#039;s sign, or on someone else&#039;s property is wrong and criminal.

Burning your own sign or effigy on your own property is at least legal.Â  It&#039;s not something I really approve of, but there are lots of things I don&#039;t approve of.

Using someone else&#039;s credit card to make a campaign contribution without their knowledge is wrong and criminal.

To say that these things are somehow analagous strikes me as somewhat delusional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burning someone else&#8217;s sign, or on someone else&#8217;s property is wrong and criminal.</p>
<p>Burning your own sign or effigy on your own property is at least legal.Â  It&#8217;s not something I really approve of, but there are lots of things I don&#8217;t approve of.</p>
<p>Using someone else&#8217;s credit card to make a campaign contribution without their knowledge is wrong and criminal.</p>
<p>To say that these things are somehow analagous strikes me as somewhat delusional.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Price</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/10/15/more-fun-felonies-from-obama-supporters/#comment-163777</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;How about those reasonable folks who hung Obama in effigy from a tree at George Fox University?Â &lt;/em&gt;

George W Bush gets burned and hung in effigy pretty often.

Also, it&#039;s not illegal (that pesky free speech thing again).  At least, not yet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>How about those reasonable folks who hung Obama in effigy from a tree at George Fox University?Â </em></p>
<p>George W Bush gets burned and hung in effigy pretty often.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s not illegal (that pesky free speech thing again).  At least, not yet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Reid</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/10/15/more-fun-felonies-from-obama-supporters/#comment-163776</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TexasAg03, 

Hey, me too!Â  I had lunch today with a close friend who is a Fundamentalist Christian with whom I have many political differences.Â  We usually manage to stay civil, and today was no exception, but we both felt pleased that even right before a hotly contested election and in the middle of a financial crisis neither of us was pushed out of that zone.Â  

My close friend the firebrand super-Lefty has been out of the country for a few weeks so we haven&#039;t been able to argue.Â  I actually tend to get more vehement with him, because our opinions are somewhat closer although not identical and so his excesses bother me more, if that makes any sense.Â </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TexasAg03, </p>
<p>Hey, me too!Â  I had lunch today with a close friend who is a Fundamentalist Christian with whom I have many political differences.Â  We usually manage to stay civil, and today was no exception, but we both felt pleased that even right before a hotly contested election and in the middle of a financial crisis neither of us was pushed out of that zone.Â  </p>
<p>My close friend the firebrand super-Lefty has been out of the country for a few weeks so we haven&#8217;t been able to argue.Â  I actually tend to get more vehement with him, because our opinions are somewhat closer although not identical and so his excesses bother me more, if that makes any sense.Â </p>
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		<title>By: TexasAg03</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/10/15/more-fun-felonies-from-obama-supporters/#comment-163774</link>
		<dc:creator>TexasAg03</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elizabeth,

I agree and I hate seeing this kind of thing from either side.Â  However, compared to some of the things that are done these days, effigies are pretty low on my &quot;shocked&quot; scale.Â  That&#039;s really a sad testament to the state of affairs.

I actually had a nice discussion the other day with a very good friend who is a Democrat.Â  He&#039;s not necessarily an Obama &quot;guy&quot;, but just doesn&#039;t like McCain.Â  The good part is that we talked for about an hour without yelling or calling each other or the candidates names.Â  We discussed policies and issues and how we honestly felt.

It was a nice change and it shows people can talk civilly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth,</p>
<p>I agree and I hate seeing this kind of thing from either side.Â  However, compared to some of the things that are done these days, effigies are pretty low on my &quot;shocked&quot; scale.Â  That&#8217;s really a sad testament to the state of affairs.</p>
<p>I actually had a nice discussion the other day with a very good friend who is a Democrat.Â  He&#8217;s not necessarily an Obama &quot;guy&quot;, but just doesn&#8217;t like McCain.Â  The good part is that we talked for about an hour without yelling or calling each other or the candidates names.Â  We discussed policies and issues and how we honestly felt.</p>
<p>It was a nice change and it shows people can talk civilly.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, search on &quot;Obama sign burned&quot;.Â  I&#039;m sorry, this kind of reprehensible behavior is simply not limited to one party or the other.Â  People just suck, period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, search on &quot;Obama sign burned&quot;.Â  I&#8217;m sorry, this kind of reprehensible behavior is simply not limited to one party or the other.Â  People just suck, period.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Reid</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/10/15/more-fun-felonies-from-obama-supporters/#comment-163772</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some lighthearted burning of Obama signs:

http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=17ab9e8d-63fd-48f8-bce7-c78bece13807

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27122474/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some lighthearted burning of Obama signs:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=17ab9e8d-63fd-48f8-bce7-c78bece13807" rel="nofollow">http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=17ab9e8d-63fd-48f8-bce7-c78bece13807</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27122474/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27122474/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Reid</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/10/15/more-fun-felonies-from-obama-supporters/#comment-163771</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TexasAgo3,

It&#039;s just not exactly the civil, reasoned discourse that some have claimed Republicans engage in as opposed to awful Democrats.

As far as I&#039;m concerned, and this is generally how I approach life, not just political campaigns, you can either keep the moral high ground, OR you can use tit-for-tat reasoning and do the same thing as the other guy, but not both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TexasAgo3,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just not exactly the civil, reasoned discourse that some have claimed Republicans engage in as opposed to awful Democrats.</p>
<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, and this is generally how I approach life, not just political campaigns, you can either keep the moral high ground, OR you can use tit-for-tat reasoning and do the same thing as the other guy, but not both.</p>
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		<title>By: TexasAg03</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/10/15/more-fun-felonies-from-obama-supporters/#comment-163770</link>
		<dc:creator>TexasAg03</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If hanging (or burning or beheading or whatever) someone in effigy is good enough for Democrats, then it&#039;s good enough for Republicans.

I don&#039;t condone the behavior on either side, but Liberals have made a career of doing things to people in effigy.Â  Besides, larceny is a crime and hanging someone in effigy is, apparently, free speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If hanging (or burning or beheading or whatever) someone in effigy is good enough for Democrats, then it&#8217;s good enough for Republicans.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t condone the behavior on either side, but Liberals have made a career of doing things to people in effigy.Â  Besides, larceny is a crime and hanging someone in effigy is, apparently, free speech.</p>
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