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		<title>By: ArnoldHarris</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/10/25/barack-obama-is-a-us-citizen/#comment-164290</link>
		<dc:creator>ArnoldHarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ObamaÂ lacks character, Aziz, and you damned well know it.Â Â 

How would you be able to face yourselfÂ in the mirror every morning if you had dropped the name &#039;Aziz&#039;Â  as tooÂ islamic for life in a predominantly christianÂ society such as the USA?

I personally think he is a conflicted man, with roots he cannot reconcile. Half black, half white. Half muslim, half christian. Half Chicago ward healer, half would-be savior of the american nation.Â  And on and on.

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WIÂ </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ObamaÂ lacks character, Aziz, and you damned well know it.Â Â </p>
<p>How would you be able to face yourselfÂ in the mirror every morning if you had dropped the name &#8216;Aziz&#8217;Â  as tooÂ islamic for life in a predominantly christianÂ society such as the USA?</p>
<p>I personally think he is a conflicted man, with roots he cannot reconcile. Half black, half white. Half muslim, half christian. Half Chicago ward healer, half would-be savior of the american nation.Â  And on and on.</p>
<p>Arnold Harris<br />
Mount Horeb WIÂ </p>
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		<title>By: Aziz Poonawalla</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/10/25/barack-obama-is-a-us-citizen/#comment-164277</link>
		<dc:creator>Aziz Poonawalla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 03:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actuallly have no problem with him using his middle name of Hussein - I&#039;ve critiqued Obama heavily for his refusal to tackle the muslim smear head on, and I think his avoidance of his middle name is a manifestation of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actuallly have no problem with him using his middle name of Hussein &#8211; I&#8217;ve critiqued Obama heavily for his refusal to tackle the muslim smear head on, and I think his avoidance of his middle name is a manifestation of that.</p>
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		<title>By: TexasAg03</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/10/25/barack-obama-is-a-us-citizen/#comment-164275</link>
		<dc:creator>TexasAg03</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 03:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Surrick ruled that Berg lacked standing to bring the case, saying any harm from an allegedly ineligible candidate was &quot;too vague and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on any and all voters.&quot;&quot;

&lt;/em&gt;I won&#039;t comment on whether or not Obama is a citizen - I just don&#039;t have enough information.Â  I have questions, but that&#039;s all I can really say.

However, the ruling bothers me in one respect.Â  It hinges on the statement &quot;&lt;em&gt;...any harm from an allegedly ineligible candidate was too vague and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on any and all voters.&quot;

&lt;/em&gt;I disagree.Â  The consequences of a person winning the election who is then proven ineligible are, to me, grave.Â  What happens legally?Â  I suppose Biden would become president, but are there any other ramifications?Â  Maybe a few million people would have not voted for Obama had that information been made available before the election.

Also, the Democrats make a big deal out of &quot;restoring our standing&quot; in the world.Â  What would having an ineligible person elected president do to our standing?

Like I said, I don&#039;t have enough information to pass judgment on this issue of citizenship for Obama, but I think he could do a little more to ease people&#039;s minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&quot;Surrick ruled that Berg lacked standing to bring the case, saying any harm from an allegedly ineligible candidate was &quot;too vague and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on any and all voters.&quot;&quot;</p>
<p></em>I won&#8217;t comment on whether or not Obama is a citizen &#8211; I just don&#8217;t have enough information.Â  I have questions, but that&#8217;s all I can really say.</p>
<p>However, the ruling bothers me in one respect.Â  It hinges on the statement &quot;<em>&#8230;any harm from an allegedly ineligible candidate was too vague and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on any and all voters.&quot;</p>
<p></em>I disagree.Â  The consequences of a person winning the election who is then proven ineligible are, to me, grave.Â  What happens legally?Â  I suppose Biden would become president, but are there any other ramifications?Â  Maybe a few million people would have not voted for Obama had that information been made available before the election.</p>
<p>Also, the Democrats make a big deal out of &quot;restoring our standing&quot; in the world.Â  What would having an ineligible person elected president do to our standing?</p>
<p>Like I said, I don&#8217;t have enough information to pass judgment on this issue of citizenship for Obama, but I think he could do a little more to ease people&#8217;s minds.</p>
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		<title>By: ArnoldHarris</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/10/25/barack-obama-is-a-us-citizen/#comment-164272</link>
		<dc:creator>ArnoldHarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 02:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This all is one of a number of relevant questions that won&#039;t go away simply because a judge determines that the questioner does not have basis for asking the question. Or because so much of America has become overcome with the self-evident need to practice affirmative action in a national presidential election.

If Obama wins, and if it ever were determined that he had in fact been born in Kenya? Then what? This would in fact be treated as a constitutional crisis of a magnitude not experienced since secession of the southern states in 1860 led to the start of the the civil war in April 1861. His occupation of that office would be illegal not because of a federal law that could be changed, but because of a basic tenet of the Constitution of the United States -- the basis of all government and all law in this country.Â  And all this because this whole society had been too timid to ask the hard questions and for the national news media to dig deep enough into the background of their latest hero.

The social and cultural fabric of this country as I right this is being stretched. One day it will reach a breaking point, and there could ensue a new civil war here.

This country and its society going back 400 years of European settlement and development of this land and this continent had a culture that was European-American, English-speaking, predominantly established for Chiristians, by Christians and with the mutual agreement of Christians not to repeat the deadly wars of religion of the 16th and 17th centuries.

Now, we perceive we are in danger of losing our own country to Spanish-speaking mexican Indians, to people from elsewhere in the world with whom most of us cannot readily identify, and facing an increasingly purposely anti-american and menacing islamic world culture that manyÂ Americans are certain wants to devour us in the name of submission to their concept ofÂ the monotheistic deity. And all this in the ruin of our national economy andÂ most uncertain national future.

So how in hell do any of youÂ expect ordinary Americans to thinkÂ and to react?Â It was on much smaller societal crack-up issues that brought communism to Russia, fascism to Italy, and national socialism to Germany all within little more than 15 years from October 1917 to January 1933.

Be warned.

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This all is one of a number of relevant questions that won&#8217;t go away simply because a judge determines that the questioner does not have basis for asking the question. Or because so much of America has become overcome with the self-evident need to practice affirmative action in a national presidential election.</p>
<p>If Obama wins, and if it ever were determined that he had in fact been born in Kenya? Then what? This would in fact be treated as a constitutional crisis of a magnitude not experienced since secession of the southern states in 1860 led to the start of the the civil war in April 1861. His occupation of that office would be illegal not because of a federal law that could be changed, but because of a basic tenet of the Constitution of the United States &#8212; the basis of all government and all law in this country.Â  And all this because this whole society had been too timid to ask the hard questions and for the national news media to dig deep enough into the background of their latest hero.</p>
<p>The social and cultural fabric of this country as I right this is being stretched. One day it will reach a breaking point, and there could ensue a new civil war here.</p>
<p>This country and its society going back 400 years of European settlement and development of this land and this continent had a culture that was European-American, English-speaking, predominantly established for Chiristians, by Christians and with the mutual agreement of Christians not to repeat the deadly wars of religion of the 16th and 17th centuries.</p>
<p>Now, we perceive we are in danger of losing our own country to Spanish-speaking mexican Indians, to people from elsewhere in the world with whom most of us cannot readily identify, and facing an increasingly purposely anti-american and menacing islamic world culture that manyÂ Americans are certain wants to devour us in the name of submission to their concept ofÂ the monotheistic deity. And all this in the ruin of our national economy andÂ most uncertain national future.</p>
<p>So how in hell do any of youÂ expect ordinary Americans to thinkÂ and to react?Â It was on much smaller societal crack-up issues that brought communism to Russia, fascism to Italy, and national socialism to Germany all within little more than 15 years from October 1917 to January 1933.</p>
<p>Be warned.</p>
<p>Arnold Harris<br />
Mount Horeb WI</p>
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		<title>By: Mc Kiernan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mc Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 00:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dishman,

It isn&#039;t a bad issue.  Its really quite simple. 

Barack Obama has had one year and more to produce an &lt;strong&gt;original&lt;/strong&gt; document or microfilm &lt;em&gt;signed by the attending physician authenticating his birth and citizenship in Hawaii&lt;/em&gt; which is advailable from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stategovrecords.com/lp.php?state=Hawaii&amp;tc=sr131&amp;sk=Birth&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hawaii Birth Records&lt;/a&gt;.
 
That ought not be very difficult.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dishman,</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t a bad issue.  Its really quite simple. </p>
<p>Barack Obama has had one year and more to produce an <strong>original</strong> document or microfilm <em>signed by the attending physician authenticating his birth and citizenship in Hawaii</em> which is advailable from the <a href="http://www.stategovrecords.com/lp.php?state=Hawaii&amp;tc=sr131&amp;sk=Birth" rel="nofollow">Hawaii Birth Records</a>.</p>
<p>That ought not be very difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: Dishman</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/10/25/barack-obama-is-a-us-citizen/#comment-164270</link>
		<dc:creator>Dishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 00:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see this as a bad issue.
There are real and serious issues about Barack Obama.Â  This distracts from discussions of them and makes those who question him look crazy.
I&#039;d much rather talk about more important things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see this as a bad issue.<br />
There are real and serious issues about Barack Obama.Â  This distracts from discussions of them and makes those who question him look crazy.<br />
I&#8217;d much rather talk about more important things.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 00:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean,

RE: Christianity.Â  I was speaking about how AMERICANS of TODAY regard a person&#039;s faith.Â  I was not looking at the broad historical or international record or how people view faith.Â  That&#039;s because it&#039;s Americans and not Poles who will decide who leads our government agencies.

RE: Muslims.Â  I was speaking of how MOST Muslims regard people born to Shia/Sunni parents.Â  Most, non-extremists even, would regard a Muslim born to parents in the faith as Muslim; end of story.Â Â </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean,</p>
<p>RE: Christianity.Â  I was speaking about how AMERICANS of TODAY regard a person&#8217;s faith.Â  I was not looking at the broad historical or international record or how people view faith.Â  That&#8217;s because it&#8217;s Americans and not Poles who will decide who leads our government agencies.</p>
<p>RE: Muslims.Â  I was speaking of how MOST Muslims regard people born to Shia/Sunni parents.Â  Most, non-extremists even, would regard a Muslim born to parents in the faith as Muslim; end of story.Â Â </p>
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		<title>By: Mc Kiernan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mc Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well,  McK,  for one, certainly wouldn&#039;t never want to contradict the  apparent official and presumedly  authentic, but not &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;the original birth records.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;

If one checks:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here, one will find in fine print at the bottom:&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;em&gt;This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.

&lt;/em&gt;I don&#039;t trust that assertion.&lt;em&gt;
&lt;/em&gt;
Here is what is interesting:

The paper on which the document was typed on Obama&#039;s site, has authenticating  and presumably non- copyable lines and dashes as in:

ie.  II==II==II== repeat continuous...

Look again &lt;a href=&quot;http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;at only the green background&lt;/a&gt;.

That paper authentication never existed at the time of Obama&#039;s birth.

What is needed to establish proof of birth  are &lt;strong&gt;actual&lt;/strong&gt; photocopies from  microfilm or the original records  signed by the attending physician.

While I weakly doubt Obama&#039;s citizenship, he hasn&#039;t been exactly transparent on the issue. 

Cosmic:


Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obamaâ€™s lack of â€œqualificationsâ€ to serve as President of the United States, announced today that he is immediately appealing the dismissal of his case to the United States Supreme Court. 

See:
http://www.obamacrimes.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well,  McK,  for one, certainly wouldn&#8217;t never want to contradict the  apparent official and presumedly  authentic, but not <strong><em>the original birth records.</em></strong></p>
<p>If one checks:  <a href="http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate" rel="nofollow">here, one will find in fine print at the bottom:</a></p>
<p><em>This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.</p>
<p></em>I don&#8217;t trust that assertion.<em><br />
</em><br />
Here is what is interesting:</p>
<p>The paper on which the document was typed on Obama&#8217;s site, has authenticating  and presumably non- copyable lines and dashes as in:</p>
<p>ie.  II==II==II== repeat continuous&#8230;</p>
<p>Look again <a href="http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate" rel="nofollow">at only the green background</a>.</p>
<p>That paper authentication never existed at the time of Obama&#8217;s birth.</p>
<p>What is needed to establish proof of birth  are <strong>actual</strong> photocopies from  microfilm or the original records  signed by the attending physician.</p>
<p>While I weakly doubt Obama&#8217;s citizenship, he hasn&#8217;t been exactly transparent on the issue. </p>
<p>Cosmic:</p>
<p>Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obamaâ€™s lack of â€œqualificationsâ€ to serve as President of the United States, announced today that he is immediately appealing the dismissal of his case to the United States Supreme Court. </p>
<p>See:<br />
<a href="http://www.obamacrimes.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.obamacrimes.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: CosmicConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>CosmicConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, the lawsuit brought (by a Democrat) against Obama&#039;s citizenship was just thrown out of court. The judge&#039;s ruling was not based on the technical merits of the case, but on:

&quot;Surrick ruled that Berg lacked standing to bring the case, saying any harm from an allegedly ineligible candidate was &quot;too vague and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on any and all voters.&quot;&quot;

I more or less agree with this ruling.

&lt;em&gt;CosmicConservative&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.cosmicconservative.com/weblog/?p=4231&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Guilty pleasures?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, the lawsuit brought (by a Democrat) against Obama&#8217;s citizenship was just thrown out of court. The judge&#8217;s ruling was not based on the technical merits of the case, but on:</p>
<p>&quot;Surrick ruled that Berg lacked standing to bring the case, saying any harm from an allegedly ineligible candidate was &quot;too vague and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on any and all voters.&quot;&quot;</p>
<p>I more or less agree with this ruling.</p>
<p><em>CosmicConservative&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.cosmicconservative.com/weblog/?p=4231' rel="nofollow">Guilty pleasures?</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: CosmicConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>CosmicConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aziz:

Let&#039;s go for some common ground.

To question the technical legality of Obama&#039;s status as a citizen is not proof of &quot;Obama Derangement Syndrome&quot;.

But to assert that he is somehow a closet Muslim hiding his true religion from America until he&#039;s elected, where he&#039;s going to suddenly institute Sharia law... THAT would be &quot;ODS.&quot;

My personal opinion of his religion is that there is no need to accuse him of belonging to a Muslim church, the Christian church he attended for 20 years is, imho, worse than the majority of Muslim churches in this country. What we KNOW about his ACTUAL church more than disqualifies him from polite company, much less the Oval Office. There&#039;s no need to paint him as a Muslim. Being a member of &quot;reverend&quot; Wright&#039;s flock is more than enough.

&lt;em&gt;CosmicConservative&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.cosmicconservative.com/weblog/?p=4231&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Guilty pleasures?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aziz:</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s go for some common ground.</p>
<p>To question the technical legality of Obama&#8217;s status as a citizen is not proof of &quot;Obama Derangement Syndrome&quot;.</p>
<p>But to assert that he is somehow a closet Muslim hiding his true religion from America until he&#8217;s elected, where he&#8217;s going to suddenly institute Sharia law&#8230; THAT would be &quot;ODS.&quot;</p>
<p>My personal opinion of his religion is that there is no need to accuse him of belonging to a Muslim church, the Christian church he attended for 20 years is, imho, worse than the majority of Muslim churches in this country. What we KNOW about his ACTUAL church more than disqualifies him from polite company, much less the Oval Office. There&#8217;s no need to paint him as a Muslim. Being a member of &quot;reverend&quot; Wright&#8217;s flock is more than enough.</p>
<p><em>CosmicConservative&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.cosmicconservative.com/weblog/?p=4231' rel="nofollow">Guilty pleasures?</a></em></p>
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