The Decision

by Dave Price on October 28, 2008

in Politics

It’s not that complicated, really. 

If you think we need more free trade, lower taxes, less government spending, less government intervention, and an aggressive foreign policy, vote for McCain. 

If you think we need more restrictions on trade, higher taxes, more government spending, more government intervention, and a less aggressive foreign policy, then Obama’s your guy.

What’s somewhat unfortunate this time around is that much of America has gotten caught up in otherwise laudable enthusiasm for the first African-American President to the exclusion of noticing what policies they’re voting for, and the press (which is much more supportive of the agenda mentioned above than most Americans) has abandoned any pretense of fairness. 

Well, it will be an interesting four years after the media drag Obama across the finish line and he starts actually governing.

UPDATE:  Yes, your taxes will go up under Obama, pretty much no matter who you are.  Be sure to read this whole article.  Obama’s promise to cut taxes for 95% of people is, shall we say, highly nuanced. 

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1 Dave Price October 29, 2008 at 7:24 pm

Had Patton surged ahead, all it would have done would be to further antagonize Stalin in an already tense situation

Again, people have this strange idea that Stalin was negotiating in good faith.  This is the same thinking that led to Neville Chamberlain handing over Czechoslovakia and declaring peace in our time.

Stalin had no intention of getting along. Just like Hitler his plan was always to seize everything he could.  Negotiation was only employed when he was too weak to attack, and he never lived up to any agreement where it was inconvenient.

The Russians had faced and defeated almost 200. Their armor was vast and infinitely superior to ours

Russian competence is another strangely enduring myth.  It’s true the T-34 was a good tank (probably the best in the world) and they had many of them, but nevertheless even in victory they lost many times more tanks and men than the Germans.  They were poorly led due to Stalin’s purges, poorly disciplined, had little to no unit-level initiative, and their logistics were a nightmare.  Something like 2/3 of their six-wheel trucks were actually made and provided by America.  They had no air force to speak of.

A tank is only useful as long as it can be supplied with fuel and fire at enemies on the ground.

Had it come to war, our attack planes would have decimated their armor and supply lines from the sky while our bombers devastated their industrial base, just as happened in Japan and Germany.  It might have been very difficult, but Russia could not have hoped to win such a conflict — and you can be sure if they thought otherwise they would have tried to march straight to the Atlantic. 

And if all else failed, we had nuclear weapons and they didn’t.

Barbarossa proved the Russians’ only real quality, aside from tanks, was quantity.

We handed them Poland and Czechoslovakia when we probably could have held them without open war. At the very least, we could have forced them to hold free elections, which would have ratified their Western alignment.

Now consider what the last 60 years would look like with no Soviet Union, or at least a very weakened Soviet state. Eastern Europe free, China never falls to Communism, no Vietnam War, no Korean War, no Communist Cuba, no Communist efforts in Central America, no mujahideen fighting in Afghanistan and later becoming Al Qaeda… I don’t know if we should ahve invaded the Soviet Union in 1945, but clealy things might have been a lot better in the 20th if we had.

2 andrea October 29, 2008 at 8:23 pm

I am not really sure why we are talking about a hypothesis on something that happened 60 years ago (BIG ELECTION IN 4 DAYS!!!!) but I could suggest to you some good reading material on the military aspect of it…if you are interested. I find you a bit confused… i.e. Soviet army of 1941 vs Soviet army of 1944…big difference

just as a note. USSR industries were beyond the Ural mountains – out of range for any plane of period departing – let say fr Berlin (round trip w/o refuel)

One thing that I should clear out is that both China and Vietnam were indigenous movements – they were not caused by the USSR although from some point on the USSR supported them morally and some with some arms. But the Chinese Communists first took in an immense arsenal when Japan surrendered its forces in China and later on, as the civil war progressed, captured/bought a lot materiel we had given to Chiang’s army.

The French maintained some balance in Indochina until 1950 but once China began helping the VietMinh, things went downhill. But the Soviets had very little involvement. Most of the aid came from China and the VietMinh "heavy" divisions trained in Yunan. The artillery used by the VM at Dien Bien Phu was made in the USA. NV got more Soviet aid in their war against us.

I loved Saigon…that bend of the Mekong is so beautiful…

I think you fall in the rather common thing of underestimating nations that we don’t see as equal to us. Serious mistake. I mean your closing dream is good but just that…a dream

3 Scott October 29, 2008 at 8:25 pm

Uh oh, McCain’s dead meat.  Dick Morris just said that the race is evenly matched.

Damn.

;)

4 andrea October 29, 2008 at 8:27 pm

aww I forgot lol the name of the German field marshall in Prague was Schoerner

Scott…the last pitch is on tuesday. until then nothing is certain

Obama/Biden 2008!!!!

5 andrea October 29, 2008 at 9:06 pm

We just closed our embassy in Damascus…I can’t believe how myopic our foreign policy can be

Syria is Baas party controlled – secular and semi socialist – definitely anti-fundamentalist, anti Al Qaeda…we should try to cultivate their cooperation

McCain, I fear, will continue the same "shoot from the hip" foreign policy until one day he gets us in a really big mess with somebody of our size…

6 andrea October 29, 2008 at 9:46 pm

history of the german general staff
1657-1945
walter goerlitz

i don’t have it but i know it is available
enjoy

7 Dave Price October 29, 2008 at 10:23 pm

I find you a bit confused… i.e. Soviet army of 1941 vs Soviet army of 1944…big difference

In neither case did they have any real air force or leadership.  A reference as simple as Wikipedia will make this clear.  For more detail, I would recommend Victor Hanson.

just as a note. USSR industries were beyond the Ural mountains – out of range for any plane of period departing – let say fr Berlin (round trip w/o refuel)

Not insurmountable if we held airfields in Prague, Warsaw or points east.  Also, that distance is a much bigger problem for the Soviets than for the West in our putative war– that’s a hugely extended supply line and our aircraft would have made resupply very, very painful even before they started demolishing their factories.  Their tanks would be immobilized.

Syria is Baas party controlled – secular and semi socialist – definitely anti-fundamentalist, anti Al Qaeda…

Yet strangely enough, not sufficiently anti-AQ to stop the flow of jihadis into Iraq.  They seem to feel the enemy of their enemy is, at least, worthy of turning a blind eye.

I heard the same argument made endlessly re Iraq, but people seem to forget Saddam offered bin Laden asylum.

One thing that I should clear out is that both China and Vietnam were indigenous movements

No, definitely not.  In both cases, as with Korea, there was critical support from other Communists, and of course the philosophy was not native to either country, any more than liberal democracy was to the many places it has spread.  Communism was always an international movement, never indigenous (outside of Russia, of course), and always backed by force, not consent of the governed.  No country has ever voluntarily voted in a Communist majority government, though some elected significant pluralities.

8 Dean Esmay October 29, 2008 at 10:57 pm

Dick Morris just said that the race is evenly matched.

Crap, it’s all over. 500 electoral votes for Obama, 59% of the popular vote, Dems pick up 30 seats in the Senate and 100 in the House.

Damn you Dick Morris!

9 P Mike October 30, 2008 at 10:07 am

Unless you are a one-issue voter where (1) the party of the candidate is the only issue, (2) the candidates have clear cut and conflicting stands on your issue, (3) you want the candidate most different than the incumbent, (4) you want to "make history" by voting in the first black president, there is some kind of decision matrix (aka Pugh mattrix) going on, see

http://www.asq.org/learn-about-quality/decision-making-tools/overview/decision-matrix.html
free trade, taxes, government spending, government intervention, foreign policy, health care were listed originally as criteria for voting.
I would add:
Apparently a lot of people care about America’s image in foreign countries, I don’t have a clue about what other countries think about McCain.

Health care; neither candidates seems to care about controlling health costs, only making sure that no matter the cost people get some kind of support so they can afford it.

Can the candidate represent my viewpoint:  I have extreme doubts about McCain, and I liked very much what Obama said about personal repsonbibilties early in the campaign, although it pretty much disappeared in the campaign.  Leaders in the black community were extremly uncomfortable with it, and I suspect that the view is not representative of a pretty large swath of teh black community, who I expect to vote nearly uniformly for Obama because he’s black.  Obama’s committment to the campaign when the financial crisis erupted indicates that his priorities are not mine.  Obama’s history of association with persons who are actively engaged against my priorities is not a good sign.

re: "utter disillusionment with the Bush administration and the war," apprvoal ratings for Congress are lower than Bush’s and yet it appears that there is not going to be a change in Congressional leadership.  Ignoring the black factor is dumb.  Clearly a very large fraction of voters are goign to vote for Obama just because he’s black.

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