America Wins!

by Dean Esmay on November 4, 2008

in Politics

And the world wins.

This happens whenever there are free, open elections that result in a peaceful transfer of power.

I’m grateful to live in a country where this happens regularly, no matter who wins today’s elections.

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1 J.A. Eddy November 4, 2008 at 10:13 am

As always, the snark in the previous thread aside, I agree with you. Just as jackbooted thugs did not storm the bastions of Democratic Headquarters to arrest democrats in 200 and 2004, neither shall Obama’s Civilian Security Force be anything more than a fevered delusion of the far right wing.

Okay, America, show the rest of the world how it’s done and for the Love of Ghu leave the damned lawyers out of it this time.

2 Trudy W. Schuett November 4, 2008 at 11:16 am

Amen, brother. I figure Americans are tough enough to weather any storm that comes, Code Pink notwithstanding.

Happy trails!

T____

3 CosmicConservative November 4, 2008 at 11:29 am

Dean:

Although it is unlikely that this election will devolve into jackbooted thugs and political prisoners, the real danger is precisely where Democrats claimed it was with the Republican "juggernaut" of six years ago. The real danger is at the margins where the potential for a trip down a slippery slope of curtailed liberties and indoctrination of our youth.

Now I do find it ironic that the Right is pretty much saying many of the same things about Obama that the Left said about Bush, and I am starting to see a real rise in what Aziz calls "Obama Derangement Syndrome." This "civilian security force" is an example, I don’t know what Obama may have meant by his much-quoted comment, but putting nuclear bombs, aircraft carrier battle groups and fleets of jet attack craft which can drop bombs down individual chimneys into the hands of some weird civilian “security” force doesn’t seem like a realistic policy position. So he must have meant something else.

I am one of those who is fearful of how far Obama will go in his pursuit of his ideologies, including the potential from him to start prosecuting his political opponents for "crimes" and his desire to turn our educational system into a liberal indoctrination system. I think those are both on the table, and both of those are hallmarks of the beginnings of socialist control of the state. If the Obama administration actively pursues charges against Bush, Cheney and other administrtation officials, I can guarantee you I’ll be looking at higher caliber firepower for my own home.

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4 jrogge November 4, 2008 at 12:55 pm

I anticipate a riot somewhere regardless of who wins.

I am one of those who is fearful of how far Obama will go in his pursuit of his ideologies, including the potential from him to start prosecuting his political opponents for "crimes" and his desire to turn our educational system into a liberal indoctrination system.

I think you guys and your jokes are great. This is truly a great political satire statement.

5 CosmicConservative November 4, 2008 at 12:57 pm

jrogge:

We’ll see if you are still laughing in four years.

If Obama makes good on his promises to pursue prosecutions of Bush administration officials, then that is certainly the beginning of the criminalization of policy differences, which is the start of the end of our peaceful transition of power.

I’m glad you can still laugh at that possibility.

It scares the heck out of me.

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6 Mark Shaw November 4, 2008 at 1:28 pm

This happens whenever there are free, open elections that result in a peaceful transfer of power.

I wish I had your faith in the system.  It seems to me that there are a higher-than-average number of shenanigans going on in this election, where voter fraud is concerned.  If the vote is close enough in critical states, a lot of people are going to wonder whether it was stolen.

7 CosmicConservative November 4, 2008 at 2:32 pm

By the way, putting partisanship aside for a moment, I do want to take an opportunity to take a deep breath and contemplate the fact that this Presidential election has a black man at the head of one ticket, and a woman at the tail of the other ticket, and if nothing else, that demonstrates more than all the empty promises of my lifetime how much actual progress has been made in race and gender equity in this country in just my own lifetime.

I may not be proud of the ideology my country is voting for today, but I am very proud and happy to see such a thing occur in my own lifetime. Regardless of who wins, and as much as I disagree with Obama’s ideology, I am very happy to see that he and Sarah Palin are ABLE to compete on a (mostly) level playing field.

If nothing else does today, that at least puts a smile on my face.

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8 jrogge November 4, 2008 at 3:49 pm

If Obama makes good on his promises to pursue prosecutions of Bush administration officials, then that is certainly the beginning of the criminalization of policy differences, which is the start of the end of our peaceful transition of power.

Only if we make up laws that say you can’t be a Republican. If none of the former administration’s policies have broken any existing laws and everything went as it is supposed to in an honest and just system then nothing will come of it.

I see this: nothing happens in 4 years, current winner loses seat, person who gets elected is proclaimed hero when the market straightens itself out.

Republicans should blame Bush. After all, if it weren’t for his wonderful leadership, Obama would be sitting on the back burner this election. Republicans would not have lost seats in the house and senate also.

Sorry, but your party screwed up and it’s hard for people to believe in the ideals of such a party when it has failed on so many levels. It even failed to live up to it’s own standards, let alone ours. A 25% approval rating is pathetic.

He has not expressed support for the fairness doctrine, his press secretary stated that in an interview and the statement is easy to find.

Also, the absurdity of the arguments regarding this continues to escalate. Conservatives will say that The Doctrine, if passed, will squelch Conservative television. However, when presented with the opinion that Conservatives control the media airwaves, Conservatives will reply that the media is dominated by the left and that there are no Conservative voices. In other words another paradoxal fantasy situation that so often is concocted by these people.

Now if you want to buy into such logical fallacies that’s fine. But when you see a constant pattern such as this for the last eight years it gets more difficult to believe in the integrity of said opinions. Perhaps if the conservative base had a more honest group of spokespeople this would be a shoe-in race for McCain as it would have been in past days.

On a lighter note yes I believe in the system. It does allow for some shenanigans, for the most part the checks and balances put in place keep the incredibly crazy shit from happening. I also think touching something like the fairness doctrine (as president) would be political poison.

9 CosmicConservative November 4, 2008 at 4:02 pm

jrogge:

Your partisan snipes as you whine about supposed partisan snipes on the other side undercut your supposedly rational argument as well as anything I could say, so I should just let your "argument" speak for itself, but I’ll make a few obvious points in case people read your post and think it’s factual.

Conservatives do not claim that there are no  "media voices" They claim that the "mainstream media" is hard left. There is fair acknowledgement that the Right has a significant, perhaps commanding, advantage in talk radio.

That is seen as a way to OFFSET the advantage of the LEFT in the MAINSTREAM media outlets (NY Times, LA Times, Chicago Trib, Wash Post, Time, Newsweek, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, etc…) As presented so far the "Fairness Doctrine" would only target talk radio, and as such restore the FULL advantage of the Leftist media bias by silencing the only area conservatives have any advantage, while shoring up the areas liberals have always had an advantage. Understand?

Also, the idea that a Democrat led “prosecution” of, say, Donald Rumsfeld for “War Crimes” would be anything but a vicious partisan attack machine is, to say the least, naive at best and disingenuous at worst.

I vote disingenuous.

Believe me jrogge, many, if not most, "conservatives" do blame Bush. We blame Bush for allowing the Left to demonize him and his allies, for attempting to reach across the aisle to mad dogs who did nothing but bite his outstretched fingers and for advancing major additions to the entitlement state which has added even more to the burden of our budget overruns. You better believe we blame Bush for that.

But we give him credit too, for keeping us safe among other things.

Of course I don’t rebut your comments because I expect YOU to listen to reason, but perhaps other lurkers will.

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