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		<title>By: Aziz Poonawalla</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/04/its-over-2/#comment-164873</link>
		<dc:creator>Aziz Poonawalla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that discussing 2012 is premature - unless the GOP intends to concede 2010. Still, it&#039;s clear from Romney&#039;s positioning that he is laying the groundwork for &#039;12, and will likely face Palin, in what could be an intriguing repeat of the Obama-Hillary dynamic (substitute being a Mormon for being an African American). 

Palin is a divisive figure in the GOP, with social conservatives loving her and the fiscal conservatives aghast. She will not be able to unite the party because shes the main reaso so many prominent Obamacons - including Chris Buckley Jr - jumped ship. However she doesnt need to unite the party to win the nomination. 

That said, Palin has such low favorables nationwide that if she does win the nomination in &#039;12, she&#039;ll lose badly to Obama. Romney is a much stronger candidate because he can credibly follow McCain&#039;s model of arguing that he&#039;s an independent-minded politician.

At any rate, 2012 is a long way away and the Dems will definitely have 60 seats if the GOP doesnt get focused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that discussing 2012 is premature &#8211; unless the GOP intends to concede 2010. Still, it&#8217;s clear from Romney&#8217;s positioning that he is laying the groundwork for &#8217;12, and will likely face Palin, in what could be an intriguing repeat of the Obama-Hillary dynamic (substitute being a Mormon for being an African American). </p>
<p>Palin is a divisive figure in the GOP, with social conservatives loving her and the fiscal conservatives aghast. She will not be able to unite the party because shes the main reaso so many prominent Obamacons &#8211; including Chris Buckley Jr &#8211; jumped ship. However she doesnt need to unite the party to win the nomination. </p>
<p>That said, Palin has such low favorables nationwide that if she does win the nomination in &#8217;12, she&#8217;ll lose badly to Obama. Romney is a much stronger candidate because he can credibly follow McCain&#8217;s model of arguing that he&#8217;s an independent-minded politician.</p>
<p>At any rate, 2012 is a long way away and the Dems will definitely have 60 seats if the GOP doesnt get focused.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin D.</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/04/its-over-2/#comment-164868</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blame Palin for McCain&#039;s loss?Â  What Republicans are &lt;em&gt;you&lt;/em&gt; talking to?Â  Palin was picked to energize the base and she did. 

I don&#039;t see Gingritch in 2012.Â  He&#039;s too far removed from the public eye and has got too much baggage left over from the 90&#039;s.Â  If he were to run he&#039;d have done so this year.

No, I&#039;m betting on Palin in 2012.Â  She&#039;ll have more executive experience to draw from and be more refined.

The party needs Palin and I think she&#039;ll be there for them when they come calling in four years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blame Palin for McCain&#8217;s loss?Â  What Republicans are <em>you</em> talking to?Â  Palin was picked to energize the base and she did. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see Gingritch in 2012.Â  He&#8217;s too far removed from the public eye and has got too much baggage left over from the 90&#8242;s.Â  If he were to run he&#8217;d have done so this year.</p>
<p>No, I&#8217;m betting on Palin in 2012.Â  She&#8217;ll have more executive experience to draw from and be more refined.</p>
<p>The party needs Palin and I think she&#8217;ll be there for them when they come calling in four years.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Rall (Maniakes)</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/04/its-over-2/#comment-164864</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Rall (Maniakes)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My money is on Newt Gingritch as the 2012 nominee, unless someone most of us has never heard yet of makes a big splash in opposition in the next Congress. He&#039;s at his best as a voice in the wilderness, and that&#039;s precisely what the GOP needs right now.

I don&#039;t see Palin or Romney as the 2012 nominee in any event. Palin&#039;s got a very negative public image because of her performance in this campaign, and many Republicans blame her for McCain&#039;s loss. Romney&#039;s support this year was pretty shallow, mainly people seeing him as the best of several bad options; I don&#039;t think that gives him a good base for the next round of primaries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My money is on Newt Gingritch as the 2012 nominee, unless someone most of us has never heard yet of makes a big splash in opposition in the next Congress. He&#8217;s at his best as a voice in the wilderness, and that&#8217;s precisely what the GOP needs right now.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see Palin or Romney as the 2012 nominee in any event. Palin&#8217;s got a very negative public image because of her performance in this campaign, and many Republicans blame her for McCain&#8217;s loss. Romney&#8217;s support this year was pretty shallow, mainly people seeing him as the best of several bad options; I don&#8217;t think that gives him a good base for the next round of primaries.</p>
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		<title>By: jaymaster</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/04/its-over-2/#comment-164856</link>
		<dc:creator>jaymaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that was one of Obamaâ€™sÂ s-t-r-e-t-c-h promises. Â 

And Iâ€™m going to hold him to it.Â 


We gave him theÂ power.Â  Now he better fix itâ€¦.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that was one of Obamaâ€™sÂ s-t-r-e-t-c-h promises. Â </p>
<p>And Iâ€™m going to hold him to it.Â </p>
<p>We gave him theÂ power.Â  Now he better fix itâ€¦.</p>
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		<title>By: Elisha Feger</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/04/its-over-2/#comment-164854</link>
		<dc:creator>Elisha Feger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahah jaymaster, you kill me.

&lt;em&gt;Elisha Feger&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://demonicgerbil.livejournal.com/604654.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;When the second amendment goes horribly awry...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahah jaymaster, you kill me.</p>
<p><em>Elisha Feger&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://demonicgerbil.livejournal.com/604654.html' rel="nofollow">When the second amendment goes horribly awry&#8230;</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: jaymaster</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/04/its-over-2/#comment-164853</link>
		<dc:creator>jaymaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations to Obama!Â  

And thank God that racism is now off the table in America. Â Â  

No more talk of reparations, or the evils of Jim Crow, or affirmative action.Â  

Those wounds have been healed, and weâ€™re beyond that now.Â  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations to Obama!Â  </p>
<p>And thank God that racism is now off the table in America. Â Â  </p>
<p>No more talk of reparations, or the evils of Jim Crow, or affirmative action.Â  </p>
<p>Those wounds have been healed, and weâ€™re beyond that now.Â  </p>
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		<title>By: Dave Price</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/04/its-over-2/#comment-164852</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin.

Sorry, that wasn&#039;t clear, asÂ Aziz made the same point, which J.A. was echoing.Â  

Still, we &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; let the left celebrate; it&#039;s nice to see them happy for a change.

Tomorrow, they take up the burden of answering for everything that goes wrong with their policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin.</p>
<p>Sorry, that wasn&#8217;t clear, asÂ Aziz made the same point, which J.A. was echoing.Â  </p>
<p>Still, we <em>should</em> let the left celebrate; it&#8217;s nice to see them happy for a change.</p>
<p>Tomorrow, they take up the burden of answering for everything that goes wrong with their policies.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin D.</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/04/its-over-2/#comment-164851</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just overheard not 45 seconds ago:

Obama Supporter:Â Â  &quot;Die, McCain.Â  Die.Â  Die.Â  Die.&quot;

Man:Â  &quot;Now, now...&quot;

Obama Supporter:Â  &quot;What?Â  He going to be dead soon anyway.&quot;

Yeah... the next four years are going to be full of wonderful leftist tolerance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just overheard not 45 seconds ago:</p>
<p>Obama Supporter:Â Â  &quot;Die, McCain.Â  Die.Â  Die.Â  Die.&quot;</p>
<p>Man:Â  &quot;Now, now&#8230;&quot;</p>
<p>Obama Supporter:Â  &quot;What?Â  He going to be dead soon anyway.&quot;</p>
<p>Yeah&#8230; the next four years are going to be full of wonderful leftist tolerance.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin D.</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/04/its-over-2/#comment-164850</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

I wasn&#039;t talking to Aziz.Â  I was talking to J.A. Eddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t talking to Aziz.Â  I was talking to J.A. Eddy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Price</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/04/its-over-2/#comment-164849</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;That you blame this on the religious speaks more to your own biases than objective reality&lt;/em&gt;

Hey! Leave Aziz alone, it&#039;s his time to celebrate a great victory over the half of America he hates.Â  Must youÂ rain on his spiteful parade?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>That you blame this on the religious speaks more to your own biases than objective reality</em></p>
<p>Hey! Leave Aziz alone, it&#8217;s his time to celebrate a great victory over the half of America he hates.Â  Must youÂ rain on his spiteful parade?</p>
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