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	<title>Comments on: Nixon and China redux: Only Obama can go to Iran</title>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/06/nixon-and-china-redux-only-obama-can-go-to-iran/#comment-164993</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;My personal reason is that Iran is on the list of countries where my religion carries the death penalty.

&lt;/em&gt;Why do you bring that inconvenient truth up about Iran (and many other Muslim countries) you &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;ISLAMOPHOBE!!!!11111&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;!!!

I kid but it&#039;s the commonly-used bullying tactic used by the author of this piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>My personal reason is that Iran is on the list of countries where my religion carries the death penalty.</p>
<p></em>Why do you bring that inconvenient truth up about Iran (and many other Muslim countries) you <em><strong>ISLAMOPHOBE!!!!11111</strong></em>!!!</p>
<p>I kid but it&#8217;s the commonly-used bullying tactic used by the author of this piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Dishman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iran may not be our enemy....

but our being Iran&#039;s enemy is official policy, and beyond Obama&#039;s control.

We are &quot;The Great Satan&quot;.Â  I don&#039;t see how that can change so long as the Khomeini-lovers remain in power.

My personal reason is that Iran is on the list of countries where my religion carries the death penalty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iran may not be our enemy&#8230;.</p>
<p>but our being Iran&#8217;s enemy is official policy, and beyond Obama&#8217;s control.</p>
<p>We are &quot;The Great Satan&quot;.Â  I don&#8217;t see how that can change so long as the Khomeini-lovers remain in power.</p>
<p>My personal reason is that Iran is on the list of countries where my religion carries the death penalty.</p>
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		<title>By: Aziz Poonawalla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aziz Poonawalla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>man, CC, you just taught me something. I wasted ten minutes on Wikipedia just now. Fascinating tidbit, but of course &lt;a href=&quot;http://xkcd.com/214/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;you know how it goes with Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>man, CC, you just taught me something. I wasted ten minutes on Wikipedia just now. Fascinating tidbit, but of course <a href="http://xkcd.com/214/" rel="nofollow">you know how it goes with Wikipedia</a>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Price</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/06/nixon-and-china-redux-only-obama-can-go-to-iran/#comment-164982</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;During his fifth year as Vice President, in the late summer 1973, Agnew was under investigation by the &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://null/wiki/U.S._Attorney&quot; title=&quot;U.S. Attorney&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;U.S. Attorney&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;â€™s office in &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://null/wiki/Baltimore,_Maryland&quot; title=&quot;Baltimore, Maryland&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Baltimore, Maryland&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;, on charges of &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://null/wiki/Extortion&quot; title=&quot;Extortion&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;extortion&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;, &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://null/wiki/Tax&quot; title=&quot;Tax&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;tax&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt; &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://null/wiki/Fraud&quot; title=&quot;Fraud&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;fraud&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;, &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://null/wiki/Bribery&quot; title=&quot;Bribery&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;bribery&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;, and &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://null/wiki/Conspiracy&quot; title=&quot;Conspiracy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;conspiracy&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;. In October, he was formally charged with having accepted bribes totaling more than $100,000, while holding office as Baltimore County Executive, governor of Maryland, and Vice President of the United States. On October 10, 1973, Agnew was allowed to plead no contest to a single charge that he had failed to report $29,500 of income received in 1967, with the condition that he resign the office of Vice President.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiro_Agnew&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiro_Agnew&lt;/a&gt;

Maybe nothing will come of Obama&#039;s Rezko problem.Â  But it&#039;s hardly deranged to raise the possibility it will lead to impeachment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>During his fifth year as Vice President, in the late summer 1973, Agnew was under investigation by the </em><a href="http://null/wiki/U.S._Attorney" title="U.S. Attorney" rel="nofollow"><em>U.S. Attorney</em></a><em>â€™s office in </em><a href="http://null/wiki/Baltimore,_Maryland" title="Baltimore, Maryland" rel="nofollow"><em>Baltimore, Maryland</em></a><em>, on charges of </em><a href="http://null/wiki/Extortion" title="Extortion" rel="nofollow"><em>extortion</em></a><em>, </em><a href="http://null/wiki/Tax" title="Tax" rel="nofollow"><em>tax</em></a><em> </em><a href="http://null/wiki/Fraud" title="Fraud" rel="nofollow"><em>fraud</em></a><em>, </em><a href="http://null/wiki/Bribery" title="Bribery" rel="nofollow"><em>bribery</em></a><em>, and </em><a href="http://null/wiki/Conspiracy" title="Conspiracy" rel="nofollow"><em>conspiracy</em></a><em>. In October, he was formally charged with having accepted bribes totaling more than $100,000, while holding office as Baltimore County Executive, governor of Maryland, and Vice President of the United States. On October 10, 1973, Agnew was allowed to plead no contest to a single charge that he had failed to report $29,500 of income received in 1967, with the condition that he resign the office of Vice President.</em></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiro_Agnew" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiro_Agnew</a></p>
<p>Maybe nothing will come of Obama&#8217;s Rezko problem.Â  But it&#8217;s hardly deranged to raise the possibility it will lead to impeachment.</p>
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		<title>By: Choey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Choey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t recall any milk company... I do recall Agnew resigning because of tax fraud though..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t recall any milk company&#8230; I do recall Agnew resigning because of tax fraud though..</p>
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		<title>By: CosmicConservative</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/06/nixon-and-china-redux-only-obama-can-go-to-iran/#comment-164976</link>
		<dc:creator>CosmicConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, Spiro Agnew was hounded from office and would have been impeached over a tiny bribe from a milk company that happened well before he became VP...

.... just sayin&#039;....

&lt;em&gt;CosmicConservative&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.cosmicconservative.com/weblog/?p=4263&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A beautiful new day?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, Spiro Agnew was hounded from office and would have been impeached over a tiny bribe from a milk company that happened well before he became VP&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;. just sayin&#8217;&#8230;.</p>
<p><em>CosmicConservative&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.cosmicconservative.com/weblog/?p=4263' rel="nofollow">A beautiful new day?</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Iâ€™m sorry, this is very poorly thought-out.&lt;/em&gt; 

Aziz&#039;s arguments almost always are.
&lt;em&gt;
You donâ€™t appear to understand the hierarchy of the Iranian government.&lt;/em&gt;

Well, if understanding the subject he was writing about was a requirement before Aziz set pen to paper he&#039;d have to completely give up blogging!
&lt;em&gt;
Haank B, itâ€™s called &quot;humor&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Once again Aziz makes a sneering, contempt-filled, RDS-inspired (Republican derangement syndrome) comment and when caught on it says &quot;I was just making a joke&quot;.Â  I&#039;m sure the Israelis had a good chuckle about his blood libel years back, he was just funnin&#039;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Iâ€™m sorry, this is very poorly thought-out.</em> </p>
<p>Aziz&#8217;s arguments almost always are.<br />
<em><br />
You donâ€™t appear to understand the hierarchy of the Iranian government.</em></p>
<p>Well, if understanding the subject he was writing about was a requirement before Aziz set pen to paper he&#8217;d have to completely give up blogging!<br />
<em><br />
Haank B, itâ€™s called &quot;humor&quot;</em></p>
<p>Once again Aziz makes a sneering, contempt-filled, RDS-inspired (Republican derangement syndrome) comment and when caught on it says &quot;I was just making a joke&quot;.Â  I&#8217;m sure the Israelis had a good chuckle about his blood libel years back, he was just funnin&#8217;!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Price</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/06/nixon-and-china-redux-only-obama-can-go-to-iran/#comment-164970</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;fostering stronger ties with Iran across the board will result in liberalization of their society and ultimately a rejection of authoritarian control.&lt;/em&gt;

That much I agree with.Â  To the extent we can do this without granting an iota of legitimacy or strength to a terrorist theocratic regime, we should.

We should defintely not be helping them with things like oil infrastructure or refineries, though.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>fostering stronger ties with Iran across the board will result in liberalization of their society and ultimately a rejection of authoritarian control.</em></p>
<p>That much I agree with.Â  To the extent we can do this without granting an iota of legitimacy or strength to a terrorist theocratic regime, we should.</p>
<p>We should defintely not be helping them with things like oil infrastructure or refineries, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Price</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hasnâ€™t Dave Price talked about an Obama impeachment here on the front page?&lt;/em&gt;

If Obama has committed crimes worthy of impeachment -- and I cited evidence he may be under investigation by the FBI for bribery.

Is bribery not an impeachable offense?  Last I checked, it was.

That said, a petition now seems premature.&lt;p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Hasnâ€™t Dave Price talked about an Obama impeachment here on the front page?</em></p>
<p>If Obama has committed crimes worthy of impeachment &#8212; and I cited evidence he may be under investigation by the FBI for bribery.</p>
<p>Is bribery not an impeachable offense?  Last I checked, it was.</p>
<p>That said, a petition now seems premature.</p></p>
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		<title>By: Dave Price</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;nation and a civilization in its own right, one which &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9505EFD71F39F93AA35752C1A9679C8B63&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#023d89&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;expressed interest in closer ties with the US&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt; and whose &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2002/02/18/020218fa_FACT&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#023d89&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;people expressed genuine sympathy&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt; in the wake of the 9-11 attacks, but was rewarded for its olive branch by being named as part of the Axis of Evil by President Bush&lt;/em&gt;

Sure, just because they&#039;re the world&#039;s foremost terrorist-sponsoring state.Â  So unfair of Bush to not roll out the red carpet.Â 

So, I&#039;m curious Aziz, what would be our response, under this arrangement, to another shower of Iranian missiles onto Israel?Â  What would be our policy towards Hizbollah and their civil war in Lebanon?Â  What would we do about the Iranian-backed militias in Iraq and the Iranian Qods terrorists being arrested there nearly every day?

I guess the idea is, we&#039;ll say nice things to them and they&#039;ll start behaving like civilized people.  Lots of luck with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>nation and a civilization in its own right, one which </em><a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9505EFD71F39F93AA35752C1A9679C8B63" rel="nofollow"><font color="#023d89"><em>expressed interest in closer ties with the US</em></font></a><em> and whose </em><a href="http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2002/02/18/020218fa_FACT" rel="nofollow"><font color="#023d89"><em>people expressed genuine sympathy</em></font></a><em> in the wake of the 9-11 attacks, but was rewarded for its olive branch by being named as part of the Axis of Evil by President Bush</em></p>
<p>Sure, just because they&#8217;re the world&#8217;s foremost terrorist-sponsoring state.Â  So unfair of Bush to not roll out the red carpet.Â </p>
<p>So, I&#8217;m curious Aziz, what would be our response, under this arrangement, to another shower of Iranian missiles onto Israel?Â  What would be our policy towards Hizbollah and their civil war in Lebanon?Â  What would we do about the Iranian-backed militias in Iraq and the Iranian Qods terrorists being arrested there nearly every day?</p>
<p>I guess the idea is, we&#8217;ll say nice things to them and they&#8217;ll start behaving like civilized people.  Lots of luck with that.</p>
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