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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/06/so-i-fell-off-the-wagon/#comment-165161</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, honestly, if it&#039;s that your tight-assed, stay tight-assed. Or it may be that you&#039;ve just got a system that doesn&#039;t respond to what is basically a poison with a few mild health benefits when taken in moderation.

The fact is that I enjoyed my very first drink. I just did. And I&#039;m pretty tight-assed myself in some ways; other drugs that muddle my thinking, make me clumsy, make me say and do stupid things, etc. I actually don&#039;t like. This one I do. And if I keep doing it, I DIE, and I&#039;ve finally figured out that the 2 hours of pleasure are followed by so much pain--not to mention an uncontrollable urge to keep going, even though I&#039;m NOT having any fun anymore at all, I&#039;m still going. It&#039;s total madness, and just no good reason to put myself through it.

It&#039;s been days now and I&#039;m not even thinking about touching it. Good lord, it really is insanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, honestly, if it&#8217;s that your tight-assed, stay tight-assed. Or it may be that you&#8217;ve just got a system that doesn&#8217;t respond to what is basically a poison with a few mild health benefits when taken in moderation.</p>
<p>The fact is that I enjoyed my very first drink. I just did. And I&#8217;m pretty tight-assed myself in some ways; other drugs that muddle my thinking, make me clumsy, make me say and do stupid things, etc. I actually don&#8217;t like. This one I do. And if I keep doing it, I DIE, and I&#8217;ve finally figured out that the 2 hours of pleasure are followed by so much pain&#8211;not to mention an uncontrollable urge to keep going, even though I&#8217;m NOT having any fun anymore at all, I&#8217;m still going. It&#8217;s total madness, and just no good reason to put myself through it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been days now and I&#8217;m not even thinking about touching it. Good lord, it really is insanity.</p>
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		<title>By: CosmicConservative</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/06/so-i-fell-off-the-wagon/#comment-165160</link>
		<dc:creator>CosmicConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean:

Perhaps the reason I&#039;ve never really had a problem with alcohol is that I never seem to get the &quot;two hours of pleasure&quot; part. I have never understood the appeal of drinking. It muddles my mind, makes me clumsy, makes me say and do stupid things, makes me ill, and then when I finally do get &quot;over&quot; it, it just makes me sick.

It&#039;s like the Calvin and Hobbes cartoon where Calvin&#039;s mom gives him a cigarette and as he lays on the porch gasping and panting after taking a puff, Hobbes looks at him and says &quot;You&#039;d think this would be an easier habit to break.&quot;

More or less exactly how I feel about it, but as I said, that&#039;s because I don&#039;t seem to have the initial two hours of pleasure in the first place. My brothers say its because I&#039;m too tight-assed to let go and enjoy myself, and maybe that&#039;s the case, but the end result is that my entire reaction to alcohol is &#039;bleh.&#039;

&lt;em&gt;CosmicConservative&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.cosmicconservative.com/weblog/?p=4276&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Toon of the Day&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean:</p>
<p>Perhaps the reason I&#8217;ve never really had a problem with alcohol is that I never seem to get the &quot;two hours of pleasure&quot; part. I have never understood the appeal of drinking. It muddles my mind, makes me clumsy, makes me say and do stupid things, makes me ill, and then when I finally do get &quot;over&quot; it, it just makes me sick.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like the Calvin and Hobbes cartoon where Calvin&#8217;s mom gives him a cigarette and as he lays on the porch gasping and panting after taking a puff, Hobbes looks at him and says &quot;You&#8217;d think this would be an easier habit to break.&quot;</p>
<p>More or less exactly how I feel about it, but as I said, that&#8217;s because I don&#8217;t seem to have the initial two hours of pleasure in the first place. My brothers say its because I&#8217;m too tight-assed to let go and enjoy myself, and maybe that&#8217;s the case, but the end result is that my entire reaction to alcohol is &#8216;bleh.&#8217;</p>
<p><em>CosmicConservative&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.cosmicconservative.com/weblog/?p=4276' rel="nofollow">Toon of the Day</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/06/so-i-fell-off-the-wagon/#comment-165124</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stopped. And I never want to do it again. All it showed me was why I quit in the first place. It&#039;s two hours of pleasure followed by days of pain. How ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stopped. And I never want to do it again. All it showed me was why I quit in the first place. It&#8217;s two hours of pleasure followed by days of pain. How ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: jrogge</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/06/so-i-fell-off-the-wagon/#comment-165122</link>
		<dc:creator>jrogge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re not the first person to relapse and you won&#039;t be the last. If people think it&#039;s easy to put down something and develop new coping mechanisms they are dead wrong. You&#039;ll get through this and be back on top of things. If you want to talk let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not the first person to relapse and you won&#8217;t be the last. If people think it&#8217;s easy to put down something and develop new coping mechanisms they are dead wrong. You&#8217;ll get through this and be back on top of things. If you want to talk let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Kindall</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/06/so-i-fell-off-the-wagon/#comment-165117</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Kindall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 02:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hang in there, my funk soul brother.Â Remember, only one perfect man ever lived, and they killed Him for it. Don&#039;t let it happen to you!

Seriously, 370-ish steps up and one step back is not at all bad. Don&#039;t beat yourself up too much. But, of course, don&#039;t let that one step back become a downward slide.

You&#039;re an athlete in training, and 370 days is now your personal best... so far. You&#039;ll better it next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hang in there, my funk soul brother.Â Remember, only one perfect man ever lived, and they killed Him for it. Don&#8217;t let it happen to you!</p>
<p>Seriously, 370-ish steps up and one step back is not at all bad. Don&#8217;t beat yourself up too much. But, of course, don&#8217;t let that one step back become a downward slide.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re an athlete in training, and 370 days is now your personal best&#8230; so far. You&#8217;ll better it next time.</p>
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		<title>By: JLBussey</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/06/so-i-fell-off-the-wagon/#comment-165100</link>
		<dc:creator>JLBussey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;ve tried several responses and they all seem trite.Â  I hope you get back up on the wagon, Dean.Â  You are an asset to the world and to your sons, too valuable to throw away.Â  Hang in there.

&lt;em&gt;JLBussey&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://jlbussey.typepad.com/ce/2008/11/my-route-home.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My Route Home&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;ve tried several responses and they all seem trite.Â  I hope you get back up on the wagon, Dean.Â  You are an asset to the world and to your sons, too valuable to throw away.Â  Hang in there.</p>
<p><em>JLBussey&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://jlbussey.typepad.com/ce/2008/11/my-route-home.html' rel="nofollow">My Route Home</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: CosmicConservative</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/06/so-i-fell-off-the-wagon/#comment-165048</link>
		<dc:creator>CosmicConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean:

I tend not to comment on these personal issues, mostly because I don&#039;t feel I know you well enough to really have an impact and because I don&#039;t have enough personal ego to think my opinion is that important anyway.

I will make an exception in this case though, mostly just to say that the sun came up today, will go down tonight and you and I will both have lunch. Just as I would caution you not to be too proud of your successes, I would caution you not to be too ashamed ofÂ  your failures.

Hang in there. We need you around here.

&lt;em&gt;CosmicConservative&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.cosmicconservative.com/weblog/?p=4267&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Quick trial update?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean:</p>
<p>I tend not to comment on these personal issues, mostly because I don&#8217;t feel I know you well enough to really have an impact and because I don&#8217;t have enough personal ego to think my opinion is that important anyway.</p>
<p>I will make an exception in this case though, mostly just to say that the sun came up today, will go down tonight and you and I will both have lunch. Just as I would caution you not to be too proud of your successes, I would caution you not to be too ashamed ofÂ  your failures.</p>
<p>Hang in there. We need you around here.</p>
<p><em>CosmicConservative&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.cosmicconservative.com/weblog/?p=4267' rel="nofollow">Quick trial update?</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: jerryk72</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/06/so-i-fell-off-the-wagon/#comment-165044</link>
		<dc:creator>jerryk72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone checked on Dean yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone checked on Dean yet?</p>
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		<title>By: ArnoldHarris</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArnoldHarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s your body. Do with it what you will.

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s your body. Do with it what you will.</p>
<p>Arnold Harris<br />
Mount Horeb WI</p>
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		<title>By: Phelps</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/06/so-i-fell-off-the-wagon/#comment-165025</link>
		<dc:creator>Phelps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iâ€™ll turn the reigns over to Neal Stephenson for this one, from &lt;em&gt;The Diamond Age&lt;/em&gt;: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;â€œWe take a someÂ­what difÂ­ferÂ­ent view of hypocrisy,â€ FinÂ­kle-â€‹McÂ­Graw conÂ­tinÂ­ued. 
â€œIn the late-â€‹twenÂ­tiÂ­eth-â€‹cenÂ­tuÂ­ry WeltanÂ­schauÂ­ng, a hypÂ­ocrite was someÂ­one who espoused high moral views as part of a planned camÂ­paign of deÂ­cepÂ­tion â€“â€‹ he never held these beÂ­liefs sinÂ­cereÂ­ly and rouÂ­tineÂ­ly viÂ­olatÂ­ed them in privaÂ­cy. Of course, most hypÂ­ocrites are not like that. Most of the time itâ€™s a spirÂ­it-â€‹is-â€‹willÂ­ing, flesh-â€‹is-â€‹weak sort of thing.â€

â€œThat we ocÂ­caÂ­sionÂ­alÂ­ly viÂ­olate our own statÂ­ed moral code,â€ MaÂ­jor NapiÂ­er said, workÂ­ing it through, â€œdoes not imÂ­ply that we are inÂ­sinÂ­cere in esÂ­pousÂ­ing that code.â€

â€œOf course not,â€ FinÂ­kle-â€‹McÂ­Graw said. â€œItâ€™s perÂ­fectÂ­ly obÂ­viÂ­ous, reÂ­alÂ­ly. No one evÂ­er said that it was easy to hew to a strict code of conÂ­duct. ReÂ­alÂ­ly, the difÂ­fiÂ­culÂ­ties inÂ­volved â€” the misÂ­steps we make along the way â€” are what make it inÂ­terÂ­estÂ­ing. The inÂ­terÂ­nal, and eterÂ­nal, strugÂ­gle, beÂ­tween our base imÂ­pulsÂ­es and the rigÂ­orÂ­ous deÂ­mands of our own moral sysÂ­tem is quintessenÂ­tialÂ­ly huÂ­man. It is how we conÂ­duct ourÂ­selves in that strugÂ­gle that deÂ­terÂ­mines how we may in time be judged by a highÂ­er powÂ­er.â€&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iâ€™ll turn the reigns over to Neal Stephenson for this one, from <em>The Diamond Age</em>: </p>
<blockquote><p>â€œWe take a someÂ­what difÂ­ferÂ­ent view of hypocrisy,â€ FinÂ­kle-â€‹McÂ­Graw conÂ­tinÂ­ued.<br />
â€œIn the late-â€‹twenÂ­tiÂ­eth-â€‹cenÂ­tuÂ­ry WeltanÂ­schauÂ­ng, a hypÂ­ocrite was someÂ­one who espoused high moral views as part of a planned camÂ­paign of deÂ­cepÂ­tion â€“â€‹ he never held these beÂ­liefs sinÂ­cereÂ­ly and rouÂ­tineÂ­ly viÂ­olatÂ­ed them in privaÂ­cy. Of course, most hypÂ­ocrites are not like that. Most of the time itâ€™s a spirÂ­it-â€‹is-â€‹willÂ­ing, flesh-â€‹is-â€‹weak sort of thing.â€</p>
<p>â€œThat we ocÂ­caÂ­sionÂ­alÂ­ly viÂ­olate our own statÂ­ed moral code,â€ MaÂ­jor NapiÂ­er said, workÂ­ing it through, â€œdoes not imÂ­ply that we are inÂ­sinÂ­cere in esÂ­pousÂ­ing that code.â€</p>
<p>â€œOf course not,â€ FinÂ­kle-â€‹McÂ­Graw said. â€œItâ€™s perÂ­fectÂ­ly obÂ­viÂ­ous, reÂ­alÂ­ly. No one evÂ­er said that it was easy to hew to a strict code of conÂ­duct. ReÂ­alÂ­ly, the difÂ­fiÂ­culÂ­ties inÂ­volved â€” the misÂ­steps we make along the way â€” are what make it inÂ­terÂ­estÂ­ing. The inÂ­terÂ­nal, and eterÂ­nal, strugÂ­gle, beÂ­tween our base imÂ­pulsÂ­es and the rigÂ­orÂ­ous deÂ­mands of our own moral sysÂ­tem is quintessenÂ­tialÂ­ly huÂ­man. It is how we conÂ­duct ourÂ­selves in that strugÂ­gle that deÂ­terÂ­mines how we may in time be judged by a highÂ­er powÂ­er.â€</p></blockquote>
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