“Hilmar points to events surrounding the election of Barack Hussein Obama as reminiscent of the way the Nazi regime came to power.”
Tom Horn, CEO of Anomalos Publishing, recently sent out the mailing “Former Hitler Youth to Appear on The Savage Nation with Michael Savage to Discuss Similarities Between President-Elect Obama and the Rise of Totalitarianism Under Hitler.” It reads:
Nationally-syndicated talk show host Michael Savage is set to interview former German member of the Hitler Youth, Hilmar von Campe this Tuesday, November 18
MEDIA ADVISORY, November 17 /Christian Newswire/ — The program will focus on similarities, which von Campe sees between the rise of totalitarianism under Hitler and the current social and political trends inside the United States.
“Every day brings this nation closer to a Nazi-style totalitarian abyss,” writes von Campe, now a U.S. citizen, and author of “Defeating the Totalitarian Lie: A Former Hitler Youth Warns America.”
“Today in America we are witnessing a repeat performance of the tragedy of 1933 when an entire nation let itself be led like a lamb to the Socialist slaughterhouse. This time, the end of freedom is inevitable unless America rises to her mission and destiny.”
Hilmar points to events surrounding the election of Barack Hussein Obama as reminiscent of the way the Nazi regime came to power.
In a specific example, von Campe takes strong issue with Obama’s position that America after World War II became similar to Nazi Germany because the Supreme Court has not established wealth distribution as a constitutional guideline. Just the opposite is true according to von Campe. “The word ‘Nazism’ was invented by the Soviets to get the word ‘Socialist’ out of sight,” he wrote in a WND commentary this week. “Obama knows nothing about Germany. The national Socialists, called Nazis, come from the same Marxist/Socialist/Communist tree as he himself. His approach to the subject is the same as the one the Communists used when they took over the religious Theology of Liberation in Latin America and transformed it into a subversive political movement.”
The Savage Nation is listed in the top 3 syndicated talk shows alongside Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, reaching 8 million listeners on 400 stations throughout the United States daily.
Tom Horn can be reached at tomhorn@anomalospublishing.com or 417-723-0610.
“Hilmar points to events surrounding the election of Barack Hussein Obama as reminiscent of the way the Nazi regime came to power.” Oh, really? Tell me, are Jews or other minorities being attacked and beaten in the streets by Obama’s jackbooted thugs? Are their business and homes being vandalized or attacked? Are workers who support labor unions being terrorized? Does Obama have an army of hundreds of thousands of stormtroopers in the streets beating, attacking, and threatening all who disagree with him?
To even compare the two is to paper over and dismiss what happened to the Jews of Germany. I’m a pretty mediocre Jew and I’m not normally sensitive to anti-Semitism, but this is too much.
I would also add that I’m damn glad the U.S. has the Second Amendment, and I regret that the Jews of Germany didn’t have in their homes what I have in mine–a loaded .38.
Hitler’s S.A. and particularly the S.S. almost exclusively attacked unarmed civilians, and were perhaps the two greatest groups of cowards in all of human history. They were good at gunning down unarmed people–as they did to half my family in Bialystok, Poland in the summer of 1941–but many wouldn’t have had the courage to fight armed Jews.
The biggest slaughter occurred in Poland and in German-occupied USSR. The SS “men” carrying it out greatly preferred fighting an “enemy” who couldn’t shoot back, as opposed to fighting the Soviet Red Army, which inflicted the overwhelming majority of the Wehrmacht’s causalities and was largely responsible for Germany’s defeat in World War II. (In the photo above, Soviet troops who helped capture Berlin are holding 200 captive German military banners and standards.) (Yes, I know about the Waffen SS.)
To draw a line connecting Hitler and Obama is beyond ludicrous, and nationally-syndicated talk show host Michael Savage and Christian Newswire should be embarassed for colluding in it.
As a minor aside, Hitler was no socialist, and the Nazis backed up the traditional power of the German industrialists against the working class, who supported the German Communists and Social Democrats. Hitler’s main political enemy in Germany was the German Communist Party (KPD), and they were the first ones he destroyed upon seizing power.
It’s a common tactic of the right to pretend that the Nazis were on the left, as a way of discrediting the left. The Nazis were on the extreme right, analogous to the Ku Klux Klan in the U.S.
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Somehow I’ve always thought it’s easy to tell one is talking about European politics when even the right-wing parties have "socialist" in their names.
I have to admit that I have mixed emotions about seeing these sorts of attacks aimed at Obama.
Mostly I just find them abhorrent for all the right reasons.
But I would be lying if I didn’t admit to a certain amount of schaudenfrade over the possibility that Obama is going to receive something akin to the vicious, unfair, insane treatment GW Bush got.
The Left made this bed. I hope they like laying in it.
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How he came to power? No. Hitler was never democratically elected; Obama was.
As for the rest?Â
Tell me, are Jews or other minorities being attacked and beaten in the streets by Obama’s jackbooted thugs?
Yup.
Are their business and homes being vandalized or attacked?
You bet.
Are workers who support labor unions being terrorized?
The ground work is being laid in the other direction, actually. I think the principle still holds.
 Does Obama have an army of hundreds of thousands of stormtroopers in the streets beating, attacking, and threatening all who disagree with him?
Not yet.
The Nazis were nationalist authoritarians. The Communists were nominally transnational authoritarians, but were quite willing to play the nationalist card when it was convenient. They both believed that the State should be the central force in society, and all individual will and desire subordinated to its needs and objectives.
Marx talked about the "withering away of the State", but that was going to happen well in the future, after capitalism made society rich enough that a State was no longer needed. Lenin’s innovation was to bypass market capitalism in favor of "state" capitalism to force the march to "true Communism".
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I can agree that comparing Obama to Hitler is dumb. Â Maybe even stupid.Â
But calling such a comparison “anti-Semitic’ seems quite a stretch to me.
By the way, it is hilarious to read that "It’s a common tactic of the right to pretend that the Nazis were on the left" and then to assert without proof that Nazis were extreme right.
In terms of social ideology Nazis were socialists. That puts them on the Left. In terms of national identity they were nationalists, which is currently more commonly associated with the right. To say that their nationalist tendencies are somehow more important to determining their “right – left” position than their social ideology is, to put it mildly, somewhat suspect.
In terms of racial identity they were racial purists, that puts them nowhere on the political spectrum since it is only a Leftist wet dream that bigotry and racism is a "right" thing. Much like saying the "Ku Klux Klan" is on the "right" in the USA when in fact the vast majority of Klansmen were (and are) acknowledged (and proud) DEMOCRATS.
In fact this assertion is racist, bigoted and quite frankly deeply offensive.
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Actually David Duke was a Democrat until 1989 when he switched parties. He is now a Republican. I am also pretty sure that the KKK did not vote Democratic this year.
I am also pretty sure that the KKK did not vote Democratic this year.
You would be wrong.
jrogge:
All you are doing is publicly demonstrating your bigotry and prejudice.
I’m sure you BELIEVE that Republicans are the "racist" party, after all that’s what you’ve been indoctrinated to believe, but you are, as Phelps points out, wrong. And what cracks me up is that you can say such a bigoted, offensive thing without knowledge of reality and walk through life firm in your own belief of your own “tolerance.”
I’ll just stick to actual history. Republicans freed the slaves in this country, Republicans forced the Civil Rights Act of 1964 through a Democrat filibuster (led by Democrat Senator Robert Byrd) and Republicans have put more minorities into cabinet positions and the Supreme Court than Democrats.
Sounds like the racist party to me.
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The stereotype goes like this:
Republicans = rich;
Rich = white;
White = racist.
Democrats are assumed to be anti-racist by default. Often by urban Northern “progressive” Democrats who aren’t even aware of what the party’s history in the South has been, let alone how the Civil War shook out politically.
I still shake my head in disbelief to think that Michael Moore got away with running an animated segment in “Bowling for Columbine” that posited that the KKK was formed by the same people that formed the NRA (when in fact the NRA was created by Union/Republican officers who were appalled by their soft urban conscripts’ poor shooting skills, and the KKK was made up of the hard-line anti-abolition Democrats they had spent the war shooting inaccurately at).
Any relationship with Mr Sacks op-ed piece which was written before todays Michael Savage interview with Hilmar von Campe, should be read with extreme skepticism.
McK just listened to the entire radio interview. If one discounts some of the psychological buzz words, the entire interview was little more than an infomercial for Hilmar’s book:
Defeating the Totalitarian Lie: A Former Hitler Youth Warns America
Unfortunately, neither Glenn Sacks nor the Michael Savage interview can be placed in the no spin zone.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/kkk.asp>
No, guys, the KKK did not endorse Obama.
Here’s a quote from the KKK.
"…ask why God has allowed this to happen. Could it be because America has turned its back on its white Christian foundation? We believe the answer is a resounding YES!"
Jesus man I am bigoted now. Actually I was agreeing with ya CC. Right up until you had to put in a stupid comment about how Democrats are the ones who are in the KKK. You just couldn’t make a civil comment on something without trying an ignorant smear.
This is why your ilk will continue to take the back seat in politics for awhile. You ignore the facts and the facts you do use are a half a century old.
Yes in history, Democrats were quite racist. Interestingly enough, since the 1980′s the racists have seen the Democrats as a party that panders to "the minority" and thus support more conservative candidates.
It was not my intention to opine that the KKK is fully Republican, it was only to point out how full of shit you are.
jrogge:
I grew up in the South. I knew people in the KKK. To be in the KKK USED to by synonymous with being in the Democrat party in the South. And not so long ago (re: Robert Byrd)
It’s not so much anymore, I agree, but there’s going to have to be a lot of generational change in the South before the KKK becomes majority Republican.
Frankly jrogge, I don’t care if you believe me. Facts are facts. Reality is reality. Your smug condescending assumption that Republicans are racist is clear and evident to anyone who cares to read your posts. I’m frankly sick to death of that kind of mindless indoctrinated opinion of the party that ENDED slavery and FORCED through the Civil Rights act.
The Republicans have a long and PROUD history of fighting racism, and the media and people like you may have warped that history for political purposes…
But it hasn’t changed history. And if racists do migrate to the Republican Party now, in MY opinion it’s because the media has TOLD them that’s where they belong. Actual Republicans and conservatives like myself don’t want them in our party.
As usual in these “debates” with people like you, I leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine for themselves whose quantity of “shit” is greater.
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Right up until you had to put in a stupid comment about how Democrats are the ones who are in the KKK. You just couldn’t make a civil comment on something without trying an ignorant smear.
So… if you claim that all the racists are voting Republican, that’s just common sense, but if someone shows evidence that you are not correct, they are making ignorant smears because they are uncivil idiots who are setting politics back.
The other guy is always the asshole. Does that pretty much sum up your concept of politics?
Well, Glenn really is just your average huckster journalist, when you get right down to it, even if he does focus on men’s rights.
He has a definite liberal bias he either doesn’t recognize or won’t admit to, and he suffers from the same basic lack of intellectual and "professional" integrity that is common to most folks in the mass media.
Just try pinning him down when he’s clearly wrong about something, or inconsistent, and see for yourselves. As soon as he has no choice but to admit he made a mistake or is contradicting himself, he instead simply stops the conversation.
I’ve seen it happen over and over again in private.
Your smug condescending assumption that Republicans are racist is clear and evident to anyone who cares to read your posts.
Point out where I said Republicans were racist. Please. Because I didn’t say that. I merely pointed out that David Duke is a Republican, the KKK did not support Obama, and that bringing up the KKK in conjunction with the Democratic party is at best a falsehood. In this day and age both parties are on board with civil rights for people of color and all of that. However, the Republicans happen to hit on a number of key issues that resound with the south, and many of the KKK. Especially messages of an anti-socialist bend to them. They also see themselves as the "True White Christians" and see the Republican party as advocates for their beliefs. They have supported the Republican party for some time now. The past is gone.
Now, just because they vote Republican, doesn’t mean that Republicans are racist, but it does show that the party’s ideals are more aligned with the KKK than the Democrats these days. That’s a fact. You may not want them in your party but they’re there. If you want to put words in my mouth though go ahead. As you said, leave it to the reader.
jrogge:
Again, I leave the task of interpreting intention from words spoken to the readers. You say "point out where I say Republicans are racist" and then you spend the rest of your post rationalizing why Republicans are the racist party.
I can’t help it if you can’t see what your own words reveal. I can explain it to you jrogge, but I can’t comprehend it for you.
Let me just make one point in the hope that you can recognize a little bit of reality.
As I said, I know a lot of Southerners who qualify as “racist.” Now I am not saying that Southerners are more racist than Northerners, I didn’t live in the north. I DID live in the South. And those I knew who were the most racist, especially those who were acknowledged KKK members or sympathizers voted Democrat on virtually every ticket EXCEPT the President. That’s why states like Louisiana have had maybe one or two Republican Governors in the past 140 years. In fact I was told pretty much straight up when I reached voting age that there wasn’t any point in registering as anything but Democrat since statewide elections were all but determined in the Democrat primaries anyway.
It’s not all about voting for President jrogge, understand? Why did the South begin voting for Republicans instead of Democrats for President? Mostly due to urban vs. rural politics jrogge. Since 1960 the Democrats have usually been the party of rich white upper class urbanites. Southerners in general view such people with suspicion. The two exceptions (Carter and Clinton) pretty much won because they were exceptions. In fact the two major issues that probably caused the South to break towards Republicans in national elections are probably gun control and abortion.
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You say "point out where I say Republicans are racist" and then you spend the rest of your post rationalizing why Republicans are the racist party.
I believe any reader with a brain would see yet again how you can only argue with strawmen. It is a fact that the Republican party’s views coincide more with the KKK than the Dems because of their stances on Guns, Religion, and the economy. As far as racism goes that isn’t the reason the KKK tend to vote Republican. I’ve already said that but whatever.
I should point out that the deep south has all Republican governors. Oh but it’s the Senators right? Most states in the deep south, and the mid south have 2 Republican governors. I completely understand that rural vs. urban politics has a lot to do with the way people vote. In fact if you read, I have said the Republican party is not racist. What I also said is that the statement you made concerning the KKK and the Democratic party in today’s political climate is patently false. In fact it is because of the very reasons you just articulated.
Guess what? The South isn’t the only area with KKK people. They live up here too, in rural communities mostly, and those communities vote Republican too for the most part. I understand you are working under experiences you had growing up. I can tell you that people in the rural areas that were racist when I was growing up, in the late 80′s early 90′s, used to tell me that, ‘The Democrats are selling the country to the niggers to get the nigger vote’. So I guess we grew up in different time periods.
The KKK votes Republican now. Sorry it’s true. You can hate em all you want but it doesn’t change how they vote.
"To draw a line connecting Hitler and Obama is beyond ludicrous, and nationally-syndicated talk show host Michael Savage and Christian Newswire should be embarassed for colluding in it."
I must admit that Christian Newswire is a bit of an unknown entity to me,
but isn’t saying that Michael Savage should be embarrassed for spreading nasty, hateful, stupid evil lies a little like saying a cowturd should be embarrassed for smelling like shit?
jrogge:
The conversion of the south to Republicanism is a real thing, and the shift has finally reached state politics and there are, in fact, lots of Republican governors now. But that is a VERY recent development, and it remains to be seen if it marks a fundamental change or a temporary frustration.
If you and I are saying that racists exist in both parties then fine. I would agree that the KKK is rapidly abandoning its Democrat history and that a large number of them are now voting Republican, but if a majority of them have changed affiliation by now, I’d be surprised. Most of the folks I knew in the south remain Democrats but vote Republican on President and some state races. I think you and I agree that those KKK members who are changing affiliation are not doing so strictly on the grounds of racism. In fact I may think racism has more to do with it than you do.
Heh, you and I both think that "reasonable" readers would agree with our side, that’s probably a revelation of our competing partisan views more than anything.
I don’t deny that I have an immediate and powerful reaction to anything that smells like "Republican=racist" charges. I find that to be the worst sort of politics (worse even than "Republican=stupid"). I am proud of what the Republicans have done about race in this country, both in generations past and today. One of the most frustrating things about modern politics in this country is how successful the Left has been in painting Republicans as racist. I do have to admit that I would NOT be proud of my party if they had managed to do the reverse.
Getting back to the original post here at least let us both agree that this sort of thing definitely qualifies as "Obama Derangement Syndrome" and I frankly hope that the Right does not succomb to the affliction that has virtually destroyed the credibility of the Left.
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Heh, you and I both think that "reasonable" readers would agree with our side, that’s probably a revelation of our competing partisan views more than anything.
You are probably right.
I don’t deny that I have an immediate and powerful reaction to anything that smells like "Republican=racist" charges.
We all have hot button issues.
Getting back to the original post here at least let us both agree that this sort of thing definitely qualifies as "Obama Derangement Syndrome" and I frankly hope that the Right does not succomb to the affliction that has virtually destroyed the credibility of the Left.
Well we’ll see. Honestly I think you are going to have 2 Republican camps. I am wondering if McCain is going to be more influential in the days coming up than he would have been as president here.
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