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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/19/schadenfreude/#comment-165712</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well that&#039;s interesting, two nearly-identical bit of stupid troll-postings from names that have never posted here on our WordPress blog. From the same person using different names, or is there some campaign on or something?

It is utterly false to suggest I ever said, or believe, that the White House could lock up &quot;suspected enemy combatants&quot; &quot;for any reason whatsoever and that there could be no appeal.&quot; If someone told you I did, they lied to you and owe you and me an apology. If you made this up yourself(ves), you owe me the apology.

It&#039;s possible in the middle of an argument somewhere I said something vaguely like that, but even then I doubt it. What I would have said is that in a war, people caught in a combat zone don&#039;t have much in the way of due process rights. Their status is hazy legally, and morally ambiguous. The question becomes tricky when you have a war with an ambiguous ending. 

So far I&#039;m not particularly unhappy with how this has gone down. No real reason to be. It would be an outright lie to suggest that the administration was in the habit of just randomly declaring people enemy combatants though, and detaining them forever just to be mean. Yeesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that&#8217;s interesting, two nearly-identical bit of stupid troll-postings from names that have never posted here on our WordPress blog. From the same person using different names, or is there some campaign on or something?</p>
<p>It is utterly false to suggest I ever said, or believe, that the White House could lock up &#8220;suspected enemy combatants&#8221; &quot;for any reason whatsoever and that there could be no appeal.&quot; If someone told you I did, they lied to you and owe you and me an apology. If you made this up yourself(ves), you owe me the apology.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible in the middle of an argument somewhere I said something vaguely like that, but even then I doubt it. What I would have said is that in a war, people caught in a combat zone don&#8217;t have much in the way of due process rights. Their status is hazy legally, and morally ambiguous. The question becomes tricky when you have a war with an ambiguous ending. </p>
<p>So far I&#8217;m not particularly unhappy with how this has gone down. No real reason to be. It would be an outright lie to suggest that the administration was in the habit of just randomly declaring people enemy combatants though, and detaining them forever just to be mean. Yeesh.</p>
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		<title>By: jerryk72</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/19/schadenfreude/#comment-165710</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SFJim,

You have to release some terrorists in order for there to be a crisis for Obama within the first 6 months. 

These 5 yo-yo&#039;s go free and start causing problems in the States. Supreme Commander Obama comes down hard on these guys and they go back to Guantanamo.

Obama enacts the same Prison policy as Bush had. But this time it was Obama who enacted it, so naturally, its the best thing ever.
Â 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SFJim,</p>
<p>You have to release some terrorists in order for there to be a crisis for Obama within the first 6 months. </p>
<p>These 5 yo-yo&#8217;s go free and start causing problems in the States. Supreme Commander Obama comes down hard on these guys and they go back to Guantanamo.</p>
<p>Obama enacts the same Prison policy as Bush had. But this time it was Obama who enacted it, so naturally, its the best thing ever.<br />
Â </p>
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		<title>By: ausman</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/19/schadenfreude/#comment-165672</link>
		<dc:creator>ausman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another win for the Constitution and a loss for the Bush Adminstration.

Remember when Dean told us that the White House could lock up &quot;suspected enemy combatants&quot; for any reason whatsover and that there could be no appeal?

Where is the Mea Culpa?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081121/ap_on_go_ot/guantanamo_detainees</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another win for the Constitution and a loss for the Bush Adminstration.</p>
<p>Remember when Dean told us that the White House could lock up &quot;suspected enemy combatants&quot; for any reason whatsover and that there could be no appeal?</p>
<p>Where is the Mea Culpa?</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081121/ap_on_go_ot/guantanamo_detainees" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081121/ap_on_go_ot/guantanamo_detainees</a></p>
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		<title>By: SanFranciscoJim</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/19/schadenfreude/#comment-165669</link>
		<dc:creator>SanFranciscoJim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another win for America, another loss for the Bush Administration. I remember when Dean said that Bush could lock up people for any reason whatsover and no one could do anything about it. Where&#039;s your Mea Culpa Dean?

&lt;strong&gt;http://tinyurl.com/6ylqxl&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another win for America, another loss for the Bush Administration. I remember when Dean said that Bush could lock up people for any reason whatsover and no one could do anything about it. Where&#8217;s your Mea Culpa Dean?</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://tinyurl.com/6ylqxl" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/6ylqxl</a></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/19/schadenfreude/#comment-165548</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, Obama was never a law professor, Constitutional or otherwise. He taught a few classes, which anyone with a master&#039;s degree (or law degree) can do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, Obama was never a law professor, Constitutional or otherwise. He taught a few classes, which anyone with a master&#8217;s degree (or law degree) can do.</p>
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		<title>By: CosmicConservative</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/19/schadenfreude/#comment-165546</link>
		<dc:creator>CosmicConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bad:

Here&#039;s a challenge for you. Go find me the CNN &quot;fluff&quot; or &quot;lifestyle&quot; story that reflects positively on Palin and negatively on Obama. Go on. Try. It&#039;s gotta be easier than finding a needle in a haystack... doesn&#039;t it? They can&#039;t ALL be Obama PR pieces can they?

Your opinion of Sarah Palin is completely at odds with what the woman has accomplished. I assume you think she accomplished those things purely by accident. 

You are so blinded by your partisanship that you don&#039;t even recognize that you have slandered and slimed a womanÂ  you never met and for whom you have no direct knowledge of her capabilities or accomplishments. In my opinion you are simply reacting to your partisan bias. That&#039;s all. I have a higher opinion of Sarah Palin thanÂ  you do. Who is right? Well, I guess time will tell Bad. The same goes for your &quot;brilliant&quot; Obama. He isn&#039;t chasing the tiger anymore, he&#039;s riding it now. We&#039;ll see if he acts as well as he talks.

And if you want to talk about &quot;hate&quot; your comments about Sarah Palin are far more &quot;hateful&quot; than anything I&#039;ve said about Obama. In fact I have had several positive things that I&#039;ve said about the man. He strikes me as a smart, canny, engaging man with a gift for oratory and writing and an ability to radiate empathy for people. Those are all good things.

Of course I also think he&#039;s a socialist who blames America first. But that&#039;s ideology,  not personal ability. That&#039;s  not &quot;hate&quot; Bad. I don&#039;t call him stupid, evil, ignorant, cowardly, etc...

Do liberals own mirrors? I wonder sometimes. Is that why so many have beards?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad:</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a challenge for you. Go find me the CNN &quot;fluff&quot; or &quot;lifestyle&quot; story that reflects positively on Palin and negatively on Obama. Go on. Try. It&#8217;s gotta be easier than finding a needle in a haystack&#8230; doesn&#8217;t it? They can&#8217;t ALL be Obama PR pieces can they?</p>
<p>Your opinion of Sarah Palin is completely at odds with what the woman has accomplished. I assume you think she accomplished those things purely by accident. </p>
<p>You are so blinded by your partisanship that you don&#8217;t even recognize that you have slandered and slimed a womanÂ  you never met and for whom you have no direct knowledge of her capabilities or accomplishments. In my opinion you are simply reacting to your partisan bias. That&#8217;s all. I have a higher opinion of Sarah Palin thanÂ  you do. Who is right? Well, I guess time will tell Bad. The same goes for your &#8220;brilliant&#8221; Obama. He isn&#8217;t chasing the tiger anymore, he&#8217;s riding it now. We&#8217;ll see if he acts as well as he talks.</p>
<p>And if you want to talk about &#8220;hate&#8221; your comments about Sarah Palin are far more &#8220;hateful&#8221; than anything I&#8217;ve said about Obama. In fact I have had several positive things that I&#8217;ve said about the man. He strikes me as a smart, canny, engaging man with a gift for oratory and writing and an ability to radiate empathy for people. Those are all good things.</p>
<p>Of course I also think he&#8217;s a socialist who blames America first. But that&#8217;s ideology,  not personal ability. That&#8217;s  not &#8220;hate&#8221; Bad. I don&#8217;t call him stupid, evil, ignorant, cowardly, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>Do liberals own mirrors? I wonder sometimes. Is that why so many have beards?</p>
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		<title>By: Bad</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/19/schadenfreude/#comment-165544</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know someone who thought that John McCain was an astronaut.Â  Ho hum.

It&#039;s sort of amusing that the guy who runs this actually thinks that figuring out that Obama voters digested and believed less right-wing talking points than they did left-wing talking points is actually a meaningful measure of mainstream media coverage.Â  There are lots of other sources and avenues of rumor and gossip: by and large, people read and digest very little of what the MSM does cover.Â  There are lots of people that can&#039;t find Iraq on the map: but that&#039;s not because they were never taught where it was, its because they didn&#039;t remember it themselves.Â  And the fact that Obama supporters are more likely to buy into and then regurgitate anti-Republican rhetoric and less likely to buy into anti-Democrat rhetoric should not come as a great surprise to anyone.Â  Other than, I guess Ziegler.

&quot;And itâ€™s still happening. Yesterday CNN had a headline story about Obamaâ€™s doodles vs. Palinâ€™s doodles. The conclusion of the â€œexpertsâ€ and â€œperson in the streetâ€ interviews? Obama is a brilliant, talented person while Palin is immature and scatterbrained.&quot;

A fluff piece certainly, but how is this different that the mainstream media coverage that, say, declared that Gore couldn&#039;t decide who he was in 2000 because he had the temerity to wear different outfits to different events?Â  

And isn&#039;t it sort of possible that, well, the different conclusions reflect a certain reality, and if so, what is the media supposed to do, exactly?Â  Present falsehoods to balance out reality?Â  

You can hate and disagree with Obama all you want, but the guy really is pretty smart, ambitious, well informed and worldly.Â  He was a conn law proffessor for goodness sakes.Â  Maybe you think that makes him all the more dangerous.Â  But not all people are equally brilliant.Â  And frankly, now that the election over, you don&#039;t think it&#039;s okay to admit that, gosh darn it, Palin really WAS a shallow, scatterbrained mess of a candidate who doesn&#039;t even come close to most other Republican politicians in terms of her grasp of, well, just about anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know someone who thought that John McCain was an astronaut.Â  Ho hum.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sort of amusing that the guy who runs this actually thinks that figuring out that Obama voters digested and believed less right-wing talking points than they did left-wing talking points is actually a meaningful measure of mainstream media coverage.Â  There are lots of other sources and avenues of rumor and gossip: by and large, people read and digest very little of what the MSM does cover.Â  There are lots of people that can&#8217;t find Iraq on the map: but that&#8217;s not because they were never taught where it was, its because they didn&#8217;t remember it themselves.Â  And the fact that Obama supporters are more likely to buy into and then regurgitate anti-Republican rhetoric and less likely to buy into anti-Democrat rhetoric should not come as a great surprise to anyone.Â  Other than, I guess Ziegler.</p>
<p>&quot;And itâ€™s still happening. Yesterday CNN had a headline story about Obamaâ€™s doodles vs. Palinâ€™s doodles. The conclusion of the â€œexpertsâ€ and â€œperson in the streetâ€ interviews? Obama is a brilliant, talented person while Palin is immature and scatterbrained.&quot;</p>
<p>A fluff piece certainly, but how is this different that the mainstream media coverage that, say, declared that Gore couldn&#8217;t decide who he was in 2000 because he had the temerity to wear different outfits to different events?Â  </p>
<p>And isn&#8217;t it sort of possible that, well, the different conclusions reflect a certain reality, and if so, what is the media supposed to do, exactly?Â  Present falsehoods to balance out reality?Â  </p>
<p>You can hate and disagree with Obama all you want, but the guy really is pretty smart, ambitious, well informed and worldly.Â  He was a conn law proffessor for goodness sakes.Â  Maybe you think that makes him all the more dangerous.Â  But not all people are equally brilliant.Â  And frankly, now that the election over, you don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s okay to admit that, gosh darn it, Palin really WAS a shallow, scatterbrained mess of a candidate who doesn&#8217;t even come close to most other Republican politicians in terms of her grasp of, well, just about anything?</p>
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		<title>By: CosmicConservative</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/19/schadenfreude/#comment-165542</link>
		<dc:creator>CosmicConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ctl:

Hmm... I don&#039;t watch enough movies, but I guess it depends on with WHOM the leading character is popular. Iron Man seemed pretty popular. The Hulk, not so much. Bond? Nah. 

Can&#039;t really draw a conclusion from that...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ctl:</p>
<p>Hmm&#8230; I don&#8217;t watch enough movies, but I guess it depends on with WHOM the leading character is popular. Iron Man seemed pretty popular. The Hulk, not so much. Bond? Nah. </p>
<p>Can&#8217;t really draw a conclusion from that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ctl</title>
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		<dc:creator>ctl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cosmic,

I don&#039;t see this video so much as &quot;the voters are stupid&quot; as &quot;the media is in the tank for obama so deep they&#039;re caught in the under-gravel filter&quot;. Admittedly, I only watched the first 45 seconds.

I think that the strategy would have to be to tie Obama to the sheer dishonesty of his media cheering squad; the meme that one wants is that Obama wants voters completely uninformed, and his media lapdogs helped.

I mean, recent years in politics have shown how little a message needs to have any sort of congress with reality. And I suspect that Obama is weakest in his rock star aura. Americans don&#039;t like losers, but we do prefer underdogs.

I mean, when was the last time that a genuinely popular person was the hero of a movie? (I mean popular within the movie.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cosmic,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see this video so much as &quot;the voters are stupid&quot; as &quot;the media is in the tank for obama so deep they&#8217;re caught in the under-gravel filter&quot;. Admittedly, I only watched the first 45 seconds.</p>
<p>I think that the strategy would have to be to tie Obama to the sheer dishonesty of his media cheering squad; the meme that one wants is that Obama wants voters completely uninformed, and his media lapdogs helped.</p>
<p>I mean, recent years in politics have shown how little a message needs to have any sort of congress with reality. And I suspect that Obama is weakest in his rock star aura. Americans don&#8217;t like losers, but we do prefer underdogs.</p>
<p>I mean, when was the last time that a genuinely popular person was the hero of a movie? (I mean popular within the movie.)</p>
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		<title>By: jaymaster</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/19/schadenfreude/#comment-165527</link>
		<dc:creator>jaymaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now Al-Zawahri comes out of the gate swinging, andÂ calls Obama a â€œhouse negroâ€. Â Â  How will the media handle that one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now Al-Zawahri comes out of the gate swinging, andÂ calls Obama a â€œhouse negroâ€. Â Â  How will the media handle that one?</p>
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