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		<title>By: Eric Rall (Maniakes)</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/20/pressing-issue-of-national-importance/#comment-165758</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Rall (Maniakes)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you could say that, although I&#039;d characterize it as a hacky workaroundÂ rather than a solution. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you could say that, although I&#8217;d characterize it as a hacky workaroundÂ rather than a solution. :)</p>
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		<title>By: zach</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/20/pressing-issue-of-national-importance/#comment-165754</link>
		<dc:creator>zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a problem to which wild card slots present one solution ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a problem to which wild card slots present one solution ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Rall (Maniakes)</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/20/pressing-issue-of-national-importance/#comment-165720</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Rall (Maniakes)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t the point of having conferences that they all play each other? As I said upthread, I&#039;m basing my opinions on baseball, where teams within a division (competing for a single playoff slot awarded to the division champion) play nearly identical schedules. If they don&#039;t do that in college football, then the regular season is broken as a mechanism for determining conference champions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the point of having conferences that they all play each other? As I said upthread, I&#8217;m basing my opinions on baseball, where teams within a division (competing for a single playoff slot awarded to the division champion) play nearly identical schedules. If they don&#8217;t do that in college football, then the regular season is broken as a mechanism for determining conference champions.</p>
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		<title>By: zach</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/20/pressing-issue-of-national-importance/#comment-165718</link>
		<dc:creator>zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

So you&#039;re uncomfortable comparing teams from different conferences because they played different opponents. Â But you&#039;re comfortable comparing teams from the same conference despite the fact that they, too, face substantially different opponents?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re uncomfortable comparing teams from different conferences because they played different opponents. Â But you&#8217;re comfortable comparing teams from the same conference despite the fact that they, too, face substantially different opponents?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Rall (Maniakes)</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/20/pressing-issue-of-national-importance/#comment-165716</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Rall (Maniakes)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point of the championship games, in my mind, is to pick and overall champion between the champions of the various leagues, divisions, or conferences. Each conference champion is the best team of their confernce, as determined by the regular season record with ties broken by various mechanisms (conceptually, I prefer one-game playoffs to break regular season ties, but that&#039;s not always practical in football, so they may use head-to-head record or another tiebreaker mechanism). You can&#039;t use regular season record to compare teams from different conferences, as they played completely different opponents in the regular season, so you need championship games for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point of the championship games, in my mind, is to pick and overall champion between the champions of the various leagues, divisions, or conferences. Each conference champion is the best team of their confernce, as determined by the regular season record with ties broken by various mechanisms (conceptually, I prefer one-game playoffs to break regular season ties, but that&#8217;s not always practical in football, so they may use head-to-head record or another tiebreaker mechanism). You can&#8217;t use regular season record to compare teams from different conferences, as they played completely different opponents in the regular season, so you need championship games for that.</p>
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		<title>By: zach</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/20/pressing-issue-of-national-importance/#comment-165703</link>
		<dc:creator>zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not at all very slightly better over the set of 12 observations, because after 12 observations their W/L ratio is identical. Â So then you delve into having to subjectively decide which wins or losses &quot;count&quot; more than others, since neither team had anything close to an identical schedule. Â You&#039;re dealing with a totally non-normal distribution and having wild card slots seems to be a pretty decent way of, as jodyneel puts it, smoothing things out.

And all of that aside, let&#039;s say that a wild-card team upsets their division champion. Â Well, so what? Â Isn&#039;t the wild-card team deserving? Â If not, why not? Â If all you cared about was the sanctity of some regular-season record, of who &quot;deserved&quot; to win, then why bother having a championship at all? Â Add 3 games to the regular season and declare the winner by their W/L record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not at all very slightly better over the set of 12 observations, because after 12 observations their W/L ratio is identical. Â So then you delve into having to subjectively decide which wins or losses &quot;count&quot; more than others, since neither team had anything close to an identical schedule. Â You&#8217;re dealing with a totally non-normal distribution and having wild card slots seems to be a pretty decent way of, as jodyneel puts it, smoothing things out.</p>
<p>And all of that aside, let&#8217;s say that a wild-card team upsets their division champion. Â Well, so what? Â Isn&#8217;t the wild-card team deserving? Â If not, why not? Â If all you cared about was the sanctity of some regular-season record, of who &quot;deserved&quot; to win, then why bother having a championship at all? Â Add 3 games to the regular season and declare the winner by their W/L record.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Rall (Maniakes)</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/20/pressing-issue-of-national-importance/#comment-165698</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Rall (Maniakes)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not based on a singled observation. It&#039;s based on being very slightly better over a set of twelve observations. If they weren&#039;t tied in the standings, the head-to-head record wouldn&#039;t matter, so the full season&#039;s records are the sample size.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not based on a singled observation. It&#8217;s based on being very slightly better over a set of twelve observations. If they weren&#8217;t tied in the standings, the head-to-head record wouldn&#8217;t matter, so the full season&#8217;s records are the sample size.</p>
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		<title>By: zach</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

but if each team plays each other team only once, then your n for any given matchup, which seems to be the critical point here, still equals 1.Â  For example, consider two teams A and B, each with an 11-1 record, but team A had beaten team B, and team A&#039;s loss had come from a team B had not faced.Â  In a wild-card situation, perhaps both teams A and B would be in the playoffs.Â  In your situation, the fact that A had beaten B would disqualify B from the playoffs based on a single observation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>but if each team plays each other team only once, then your n for any given matchup, which seems to be the critical point here, still equals 1.Â  For example, consider two teams A and B, each with an 11-1 record, but team A had beaten team B, and team A&#8217;s loss had come from a team B had not faced.Â  In a wild-card situation, perhaps both teams A and B would be in the playoffs.Â  In your situation, the fact that A had beaten B would disqualify B from the playoffs based on a single observation.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Rall (Maniakes)</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/20/pressing-issue-of-national-importance/#comment-165665</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Rall (Maniakes)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sample size. Regular season standings compare performance over 12 games per team, while in a three-round playoff no team plays more than three games, and the average team plays less than two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sample size. Regular season standings compare performance over 12 games per team, while in a three-round playoff no team plays more than three games, and the average team plays less than two.</p>
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		<title>By: zach</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/11/20/pressing-issue-of-national-importance/#comment-165664</link>
		<dc:creator>zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

in what way is the regular season a better arbiter than a championship game? Â it sounds like sour grapes, to me. Â after all, most college teams in the same conference meet each other only once, if at all. Â you simply can&#039;t draw parallels to baseball in that regard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>in what way is the regular season a better arbiter than a championship game? Â it sounds like sour grapes, to me. Â after all, most college teams in the same conference meet each other only once, if at all. Â you simply can&#8217;t draw parallels to baseball in that regard.</p>
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