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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;We Have Created A Monster,&#8221; Experts Admit On World AIDS Day</title>
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		<title>By: Mc Kiernan</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/01/we-have-created-a-monster-experts-admit-on-world-aids-day/#comment-166182</link>
		<dc:creator>Mc Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redaction:Â Â  

&lt;strike&gt; The bad news is that Hank Barnes was/is liar from the git- go.



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<p><strike> The bad news is that Hank Barnes was/is liar from the git- go.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/01/we-have-created-a-monster-experts-admit-on-world-aids-day/#comment-166171</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, uhm, winning an award from a non-profit group equals... what kind of lie again?

I&#039;m still completely lost here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, uhm, winning an award from a non-profit group equals&#8230; what kind of lie again?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still completely lost here.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Barnes</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/01/we-have-created-a-monster-experts-admit-on-world-aids-day/#comment-166164</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh,Â Yes, McKiernan, the cyberspace cross between Inspector Clouseau and Mr. Magoo rears his ugly head again.

The issue ain&#039;t pseudonyms, &quot;Yossarian &quot;or &quot;Catch-22&quot;

The issue ain&#039;t awards I&#039;ve won.

For the third time, I re-iterate a FACT:

&quot;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Diarrhea kills five times as many kids as AIDS&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;,&quot; said John Oldfield, executive vice president of Water Advocates, a Washington, D.C.-based organization that promotes clean water and sanitation.

Don&#039;t forget your brown ribbon, Mack!

HankieBarnes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh,Â Yes, McKiernan, the cyberspace cross between Inspector Clouseau and Mr. Magoo rears his ugly head again.</p>
<p>The issue ain&#8217;t pseudonyms, &quot;Yossarian &quot;or &quot;Catch-22&quot;</p>
<p>The issue ain&#8217;t awards I&#8217;ve won.</p>
<p>For the third time, I re-iterate a FACT:</p>
<p>&quot;<strong><em>Diarrhea kills five times as many kids as AIDS</em></strong>,&quot; said John Oldfield, executive vice president of Water Advocates, a Washington, D.C.-based organization that promotes clean water and sanitation.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget your brown ribbon, Mack!</p>
<p>HankieBarnes</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/01/we-have-created-a-monster-experts-admit-on-world-aids-day/#comment-166162</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhm, in what way would that be a lie, McKiernan? And what would it have to do with anything else at all? You&#039;ve got me lost--again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhm, in what way would that be a lie, McKiernan? And what would it have to do with anything else at all? You&#8217;ve got me lost&#8211;again.</p>
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		<title>By: Mc Kiernan</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/01/we-have-created-a-monster-experts-admit-on-world-aids-day/#comment-166161</link>
		<dc:creator>Mc Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean,
 
 The bad news is that Hank Barnes was/is liar from the git- go.
 
 While he was entering these discussions on HIV/AIDS back in late 2004 under his pseudonym of Hank the dumber, the lawyer was receiving an award as attorney David Steele under the &lt;a href=&quot;http://aras.ab.ca/SARA/sara.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; auspices of  S.A.R.A.H.&lt;/a&gt;

Goodness, he never quite really told the DW readership that. 


Of course, the current issue is diarrhea.

But don&#039;t listen to an old man, what would they know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean,</p>
<p> The bad news is that Hank Barnes was/is liar from the git- go.</p>
<p> While he was entering these discussions on HIV/AIDS back in late 2004 under his pseudonym of Hank the dumber, the lawyer was receiving an award as attorney David Steele under the <a href="http://aras.ab.ca/SARA/sara.html" rel="nofollow"> auspices of  S.A.R.A.H.</a></p>
<p>Goodness, he never quite really told the DW readership that. </p>
<p>Of course, the current issue is diarrhea.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t listen to an old man, what would they know.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Barnes</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/01/we-have-created-a-monster-experts-admit-on-world-aids-day/#comment-166160</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean,

Don&#039;t spend a lotta time worrying about whatever old man McKiernan is babbling about. The issue is AIDS World Day and its gradual fade into obscurity. 

I re-quote and re-emphasize a fact from above:

&quot;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Diarrhea kills five times as many kids as AIDS&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;,&quot; said John Oldfield, executive vice president of Water Advocates, a Washington, D.C.-based organization that promotes clean water and sanitation.

Do you think all these committed, concerned air-head movie stars and activists are gonna start wearin&#039; brown ribbons to fight diarrhea?:)

Doesn&#039;t quite fit the narrative!

HB
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t spend a lotta time worrying about whatever old man McKiernan is babbling about. The issue is AIDS World Day and its gradual fade into obscurity. </p>
<p>I re-quote and re-emphasize a fact from above:</p>
<p>&quot;<strong><em>Diarrhea kills five times as many kids as AIDS</em></strong>,&quot; said John Oldfield, executive vice president of Water Advocates, a Washington, D.C.-based organization that promotes clean water and sanitation.</p>
<p>Do you think all these committed, concerned air-head movie stars and activists are gonna start wearin&#8217; brown ribbons to fight diarrhea?:)</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t quite fit the narrative!</p>
<p>HB</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/01/we-have-created-a-monster-experts-admit-on-world-aids-day/#comment-166159</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hank is really quite an excellent blogger and an insightful commenter, although he turned things over to another guy who doesn&#039;t quite understand the blogging thing although he has done a good job in other areas.

AnthonyL does a pretty good job as a blogger, although he ignored much of my advice.

That is it. There could have been dozens of others to open their blogs, which would have made a bigger impact. They just weren&#039;t interested, or, they thought they could be more effective leaving comments on hostile bloggers&#039; sites INSTEAD of opening their own blogs. They didn&#039;t understand why your own blog is much more important in such an endeavor. Ah well. Call me Cassandra.

Doesn&#039;t matter now. Too many young scientists, and scientists in competing medical fields, and health workers in competing fields, and journalists are now on the hunt. It&#039;s just a matter of time.

A lot of very, very good people, and very dedicated medical professionals, were hoodwinked.Â And a whole lot of people died needlessly. Not due to any fucking grand &quot;conspiracy&quot; either, but due to a very small handful of greedy and self-centered people, a lot of other very timid people, and a whole lot of good intentions out of people who should have known better. It&#039;s a very human story, and really not uncommon--just one with uncommonly tragic consequences this time around.

It&#039;s only a matter of time, McKiernan. That slight sting you feel may be an actual moment of clarity coming on for you, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hank is really quite an excellent blogger and an insightful commenter, although he turned things over to another guy who doesn&#8217;t quite understand the blogging thing although he has done a good job in other areas.</p>
<p>AnthonyL does a pretty good job as a blogger, although he ignored much of my advice.</p>
<p>That is it. There could have been dozens of others to open their blogs, which would have made a bigger impact. They just weren&#8217;t interested, or, they thought they could be more effective leaving comments on hostile bloggers&#8217; sites INSTEAD of opening their own blogs. They didn&#8217;t understand why your own blog is much more important in such an endeavor. Ah well. Call me Cassandra.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t matter now. Too many young scientists, and scientists in competing medical fields, and health workers in competing fields, and journalists are now on the hunt. It&#8217;s just a matter of time.</p>
<p>A lot of very, very good people, and very dedicated medical professionals, were hoodwinked.Â And a whole lot of people died needlessly. Not due to any fucking grand &quot;conspiracy&quot; either, but due to a very small handful of greedy and self-centered people, a lot of other very timid people, and a whole lot of good intentions out of people who should have known better. It&#8217;s a very human story, and really not uncommon&#8211;just one with uncommonly tragic consequences this time around.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s only a matter of time, McKiernan. That slight sting you feel may be an actual moment of clarity coming on for you, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Mc Kiernan</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/01/we-have-created-a-monster-experts-admit-on-world-aids-day/#comment-166152</link>
		<dc:creator>Mc Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want to say anything but Hank Barnes is not a brilliant skeptic.

Actually, Dean,  AnthonyL did start a blog called New Aids Review which is now an echo chamber called Science Guardian.  They now have at least four commenters. Of late, &quot;Bad Behavior has blocked 1118 access attempts in the last 7 days.&quot;

Two other blogs were created  at that time which soon became extinct.

Then, there was another one with the Groucho Marx theme that wouldn&#039;t  permit contrary commentary  but plenty of Dr. Dach and his rejuvenation/longevity propaganda. 

Whatever happened to that guy ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to say anything but Hank Barnes is not a brilliant skeptic.</p>
<p>Actually, Dean,  AnthonyL did start a blog called New Aids Review which is now an echo chamber called Science Guardian.  They now have at least four commenters. Of late, &quot;Bad Behavior has blocked 1118 access attempts in the last 7 days.&quot;</p>
<p>Two other blogs were created  at that time which soon became extinct.</p>
<p>Then, there was another one with the Groucho Marx theme that wouldn&#8217;t  permit contrary commentary  but plenty of Dr. Dach and his rejuvenation/longevity propaganda. </p>
<p>Whatever happened to that guy ?</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Barnes</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/01/we-have-created-a-monster-experts-admit-on-world-aids-day/#comment-166117</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another good quote from the article above:

&quot;Diarrhea kills five times as many kids as AIDS,&quot; said John Oldfield, executive vice president of Water Advocates, a Washington, D.C.-based organization that promotes clean water and sanitation.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wateradvocates.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Water Advocates&lt;/a&gt; is a heluva organization. They got more common sense in their little pinkies than the collective virology establishment at the NIH

HB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another good quote from the article above:</p>
<p>&quot;Diarrhea kills five times as many kids as AIDS,&quot; said John Oldfield, executive vice president of Water Advocates, a Washington, D.C.-based organization that promotes clean water and sanitation.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wateradvocates.org/" rel="nofollow">Water Advocates</a> is a heluva organization. They got more common sense in their little pinkies than the collective virology establishment at the NIH</p>
<p>HB</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Barnes</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/01/we-have-created-a-monster-experts-admit-on-world-aids-day/#comment-166115</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger England is quoted in the article:

&lt;strong&gt;&quot;The global HIV industry is too big and out of control. We have created a monster with too many vested interests and reputations at stake, ... too many relatively well paid HIV staff in affected countries, and too many rock stars with AIDS support as a fashion accessory,&quot; he wrote in the British Medical Journal in May.
&lt;/strong&gt;
Thatsabout right, I reckon:)

HBarnes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger England is quoted in the article:</p>
<p><strong>&quot;The global HIV industry is too big and out of control. We have created a monster with too many vested interests and reputations at stake, &#8230; too many relatively well paid HIV staff in affected countries, and too many rock stars with AIDS support as a fashion accessory,&quot; he wrote in the British Medical Journal in May.<br />
</strong><br />
Thatsabout right, I reckon:)</p>
<p>HBarnes</p>
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