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		<title>By: J.A. Eddy</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/11/a-nuclear-jonestown/#comment-166537</link>
		<dc:creator>J.A. Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just sounds to me like an argument for carrying democracy in whatever form it takes in other lands on the point of a spear to every nation on Earth.

&quot;Live Free, Or Die.&quot; Not a motto, an ultimatum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just sounds to me like an argument for carrying democracy in whatever form it takes in other lands on the point of a spear to every nation on Earth.</p>
<p>&quot;Live Free, Or Die.&quot; Not a motto, an ultimatum.</p>
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		<title>By: ArnoldHarris</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/11/a-nuclear-jonestown/#comment-166531</link>
		<dc:creator>ArnoldHarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aleykum salaam.

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aleykum salaam.</p>
<p>Arnold Harris<br />
Mount Horeb WI</p>
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		<title>By: redux46</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/11/a-nuclear-jonestown/#comment-166524</link>
		<dc:creator>redux46</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Therefore, unless something not known to us today changes the calculus the road toÂ  world power through belief modification, then they willÂ win in the end, andÂ the freedom and liberty of the rest of the world shall be extinguished under theÂ imperative ofÂ Islam, which is worldwide submission to their concept of their god.Â &quot;


Arnoldharris, 

Well in that case it&#039;s best to prepare now and convert to islam before our islamic overlords arrive.

Here&#039;s a link to aÂ site showing how to properly pray in islam &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jannah.com/learn/flashprayer1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.jannah.com/learn/flashprayer1.html&lt;/a&gt;


SalamÂ aleykum</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot; Therefore, unless something not known to us today changes the calculus the road toÂ  world power through belief modification, then they willÂ win in the end, andÂ the freedom and liberty of the rest of the world shall be extinguished under theÂ imperative ofÂ Islam, which is worldwide submission to their concept of their god.Â &quot;</p>
<p>Arnoldharris, </p>
<p>Well in that case it&#8217;s best to prepare now and convert to islam before our islamic overlords arrive.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a link to aÂ site showing how to properly pray in islam <a href="http://www.jannah.com/learn/flashprayer1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.jannah.com/learn/flashprayer1.html</a></p>
<p>SalamÂ aleykum</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin D.</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/11/a-nuclear-jonestown/#comment-166523</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, I&#039;m on the same page with Mr. Harris. 

Hope is for the religious.Â  As Dean is, this applies to him in a way, however, his hope here isn&#039;t in God but the passions of man.

Frankly, hoping a man doesn&#039;t a thing is about as useful as it sounds.Â  The better course of action would be assume he will do a thing, prepare for it, and wait for him to provide amply proof he won&#039;t.Â  If you&#039;re lucky, and he&#039;s at all sane, the big stick you&#039;re carrying will be the motivation he needs to provide that proof.

Like Teddy Roosevelt said, speak softly but carry a big stick.Â  Hope and soft talk is nice.Â  It&#039;s even nicer to show that there more to you than pretty words.

Place your hope in God, prepare yourself for man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, I&#8217;m on the same page with Mr. Harris. </p>
<p>Hope is for the religious.Â  As Dean is, this applies to him in a way, however, his hope here isn&#8217;t in God but the passions of man.</p>
<p>Frankly, hoping a man doesn&#8217;t a thing is about as useful as it sounds.Â  The better course of action would be assume he will do a thing, prepare for it, and wait for him to provide amply proof he won&#8217;t.Â  If you&#8217;re lucky, and he&#8217;s at all sane, the big stick you&#8217;re carrying will be the motivation he needs to provide that proof.</p>
<p>Like Teddy Roosevelt said, speak softly but carry a big stick.Â  Hope and soft talk is nice.Â  It&#8217;s even nicer to show that there more to you than pretty words.</p>
<p>Place your hope in God, prepare yourself for man.</p>
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		<title>By: ArnoldHarris</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/11/a-nuclear-jonestown/#comment-166515</link>
		<dc:creator>ArnoldHarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All that hope, hope, hope gets you is that first you will be robbed. Then your rights will be taken away. Then you will be put to death.

The only real hope is based onÂ purposeful action. When dealing with IslamoNazism or any other unpleasant but quite real phenomena.

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All that hope, hope, hope gets you is that first you will be robbed. Then your rights will be taken away. Then you will be put to death.</p>
<p>The only real hope is based onÂ purposeful action. When dealing with IslamoNazism or any other unpleasant but quite real phenomena.</p>
<p>Arnold Harris<br />
Mount Horeb WI</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have much confidence in Haaretz when they&#039;re quoting an anonymous source.

Anyway retaliation isn&#039;t much consolation for Israel. One nuclear strike could pretty much do it for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have much confidence in Haaretz when they&#8217;re quoting an anonymous source.</p>
<p>Anyway retaliation isn&#8217;t much consolation for Israel. One nuclear strike could pretty much do it for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Price</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zach,

Right, that was my point.Â  Communists, unlike Islamic extremists,Â aren&#039;t even particularly into this sort of thing and look what happened.Â  Iran&#039;s leaders are bona fide religious wackos, how muchÂ riskier is that?

As for the idea they are &quot;rational and self-preserving,&quot; this isn&#039;t true for very many values of &quot;rational,&quot; and they certainly give less evidence of being &quot;self-preserving&quot; than the Soviets did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zach,</p>
<p>Right, that was my point.Â  Communists, unlike Islamic extremists,Â aren&#8217;t even particularly into this sort of thing and look what happened.Â  Iran&#8217;s leaders are bona fide religious wackos, how muchÂ riskier is that?</p>
<p>As for the idea they are &#8220;rational and self-preserving,&#8221; this isn&#8217;t true for very many values of &#8220;rational,&#8221; and they certainly give less evidence of being &#8220;self-preserving&#8221; than the Soviets did.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/11/a-nuclear-jonestown/#comment-166504</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Jones was certainly a committed Communist, however, I&#039;m not sure that his church was a sham per se. It definitely started out as a pretty typical Pentacostalist/revivalist sort of cult, and then got into so-called &quot;liberation theology&quot; (fundamentalist branch) that was popular for a while there, and finally just started casting aside most traditional theology and started saying that Socialism equaled Salvation and a bunch of gobbledygook like that. Basically, they were nuts. You can make a case that they were only quasi-religious, but that element was absolutely there.

I think you&#039;re probably right that Iran&#039;s leaders (including the ones you rarely see even though they hold the vast bulk of the power) are more self-serving than suicidal.

I hope you are correct. Hope, hope, hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Jones was certainly a committed Communist, however, I&#8217;m not sure that his church was a sham per se. It definitely started out as a pretty typical Pentacostalist/revivalist sort of cult, and then got into so-called &quot;liberation theology&quot; (fundamentalist branch) that was popular for a while there, and finally just started casting aside most traditional theology and started saying that Socialism equaled Salvation and a bunch of gobbledygook like that. Basically, they were nuts. You can make a case that they were only quasi-religious, but that element was absolutely there.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re probably right that Iran&#8217;s leaders (including the ones you rarely see even though they hold the vast bulk of the power) are more self-serving than suicidal.</p>
<p>I hope you are correct. Hope, hope, hope.</p>
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		<title>By: zach</title>
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		<dc:creator>zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

Except for the fact that Jones was not religious. Â His entire church was a carefully constructed sham meant to further his communist ideals.

Also see the many previous discussions on this topic where others have made excellent cases that the Iranian leaders are rational and self-preserving, rather than anything remotely suicidal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>Except for the fact that Jones was not religious. Â His entire church was a carefully constructed sham meant to further his communist ideals.</p>
<p>Also see the many previous discussions on this topic where others have made excellent cases that the Iranian leaders are rational and self-preserving, rather than anything remotely suicidal.</p>
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		<title>By: ArnoldHarris</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArnoldHarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your hopes for a peaceable Iran are based on regime change in that country, then you should park your hopes in the nearest toilet bowl and pull the lever.

There will be nuclear destruction in this country unless Iran us subdued and diverted from its path by outside military intervention.Â  And that is as inevitable as the rising and setting of the sun.

I too see nuclear weapons being smuggled into this country in container ships. That precisely is what world trade will net the owners of this country; their ownÂ destruction.

The long termÂ question is not Iran and its crazed mullahs, but Islam in general. Its believers fullyÂ intend to conquer the non-islamic world by whatever means needed and available.Â  And right now, I see no counterforce willing to stand against them. 

Therefore, unless something not known to us today changes the calculus the road toÂ  world power through belief modification, then they willÂ win in the end, andÂ the freedom and liberty of the rest of the world shall be extinguished under theÂ imperative ofÂ Islam, which is worldwide submission to their concept of their god.Â 

Arnold Harris
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your hopes for a peaceable Iran are based on regime change in that country, then you should park your hopes in the nearest toilet bowl and pull the lever.</p>
<p>There will be nuclear destruction in this country unless Iran us subdued and diverted from its path by outside military intervention.Â  And that is as inevitable as the rising and setting of the sun.</p>
<p>I too see nuclear weapons being smuggled into this country in container ships. That precisely is what world trade will net the owners of this country; their ownÂ destruction.</p>
<p>The long termÂ question is not Iran and its crazed mullahs, but Islam in general. Its believers fullyÂ intend to conquer the non-islamic world by whatever means needed and available.Â  And right now, I see no counterforce willing to stand against them. </p>
<p>Therefore, unless something not known to us today changes the calculus the road toÂ  world power through belief modification, then they willÂ win in the end, andÂ the freedom and liberty of the rest of the world shall be extinguished under theÂ imperative ofÂ Islam, which is worldwide submission to their concept of their god.Â </p>
<p>Arnold Harris</p>
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