Comments on: Why Ayers Matters http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/23/why-ayers-matters/ Defending the liberal tradition in history, science, and philosophy. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:24:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ArnoldHarris http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/23/why-ayers-matters/#comment-166948 ArnoldHarris Thu, 25 Dec 2008 19:42:43 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/23/why-ayers-matters/#comment-166948 Dave, If you are looking for justice in the world, you are wasting your time looking underneath the rocks and peering into the occasionally exposed shit-pits of american presidential politics. Nobody but nobody is going to impeach Obama over Ayers, Blagojevic or any of the rest of this crap. All people in this country really want is for for this guy to come up with some common-sense solutions to stopping the new Great Depression, put all the union autoworkers back on the assembly line, instantly create an energy source to take the place of all that foreign source, and cause all the fat folks to feel good about themselves again after the last Big Mac attack. Happy holidays. Arnold Harris Mount Horeb WI  Dave,

If you are looking for justice in the world, you are wasting your time looking underneath the rocks and peering into the occasionally exposed shit-pits of american presidential politics. Nobody but nobody is going to impeach Obama over Ayers, Blagojevic or any of the rest of this crap.

All people in this country really want is for for this guy to come up with some common-sense solutions to stopping the new Great Depression, put all the union autoworkers back on the assembly line, instantly create an energy source to take the place of all that foreign source, and cause all the fat folks to feel good about themselves again after the last Big Mac attack.

Happy holidays.

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI 

]]> By: Dave Price http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/23/why-ayers-matters/#comment-166926 Dave Price Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:11:11 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/23/why-ayers-matters/#comment-166926 Associating with terrorists is a legitimate complaint.  See above. Associating with terrorists is a legitimate complaint.  See above.

]]> By: jrogge http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/23/why-ayers-matters/#comment-166920 jrogge Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:21:52 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/23/why-ayers-matters/#comment-166920 Yes, I know I will hear about it. the more I hear it, the less likely I'll pay attention to a legitimate complaint. If you remember correctly, a lot of people got pardoned for a lot of things in that era. The whole 60's early 70's was a big clusterspunk if you remember. Ayers matters, but so does Nixon, all those draft dodgers that were pardoned, and so forth. You see, in the end it is just another guy that was either pardoned or let off the hook some other way. You act like Ayers is the only guy that this happened to when in reality it's a very common thing. Yes, I know I will hear about it. the more I hear it, the less likely I’ll pay attention to a legitimate complaint. If you remember correctly, a lot of people got pardoned for a lot of things in that era. The whole 60′s early 70′s was a big clusterspunk if you remember. Ayers matters, but so does Nixon, all those draft dodgers that were pardoned, and so forth. You see, in the end it is just another guy that was either pardoned or let off the hook some other way. You act like Ayers is the only guy that this happened to when in reality it’s a very common thing.

]]> By: Dave Price http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/23/why-ayers-matters/#comment-166911 Dave Price Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:36:06 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/23/why-ayers-matters/#comment-166911 <em>I’m not sure how it would, given that Obama was a young child when Ayers was trying to kill people and bring down the government.</em> Try to imagine Eric Rudolph or Timothy McVeigh being given university jobs after getting off on a technicality.  Now try to imagine a GOP Presidential candidate had worked in an office with them, sent them grant money, and started a political campaign from one of their houses, even 10-20 years from now.  It's unthinkable.  The press would camp out on their lawn for nine months, and there would be constant interviews with victims and family. The campaign would be over before it started. The office of POTUS is the most-scrutinized in the world. You are going to hear about this association as long as Obama's in office. I’m not sure how it would, given that Obama was a young child when Ayers was trying to kill people and bring down the government.

Try to imagine Eric Rudolph or Timothy McVeigh being given university jobs after getting off on a technicality.  Now try to imagine a GOP Presidential candidate had worked in an office with them, sent them grant money, and started a political campaign from one of their houses, even 10-20 years from now.  It’s unthinkable.  The press would camp out on their lawn for nine months, and there would be constant interviews with victims and family. The campaign would be over before it started.

The office of POTUS is the most-scrutinized in the world. You are going to hear about this association as long as Obama’s in office.

]]> By: Dean Esmay http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/23/why-ayers-matters/#comment-166908 Dean Esmay Wed, 24 Dec 2008 00:32:13 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/23/why-ayers-matters/#comment-166908 I actually think the Ayers issues matters, just not very much as regards to President Obama. The voters got to hear about most of this and most yawned and didn't care because it was obvious to them that Obama was a small child at the time Ayers was active as a terrorist leader, and Ayers HAS NOT been violent since. There's no reason to even suspect that Obama knew any of the details about Ayers' decades-old record in more than scant detail. Why would he? The man's a respected Chicago professor in the upper echelons of the Democratic machine there. What's troubling about Ayers is that he's been allowed by so many to just have his history wiped away. That's VERY troubling. There were a whole spate of really despicable characters in the "anti-war" movement of the 1960s, and it's bothered me for many many years that most people just don't know this stuff. The Left carries around this aura that they are the moral ones, the righteous ones, the ones who are non-violent, the ones who are constantly misunderstood: and the lesson of Ayers, Dohrn, and a whole bunch of others from that era is living proof that it's not so. Cold-blooded murdering terrorists were part of that "anti-war" movement back then, and we should remember it the same way we remember George Orwell's chilling lesson when he saw what the Communists were REALLY all about in Spain. I was actually stunned a bit when Ayers came into the news this election cycle, since I've known for YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS about this stuff. I mean, before Bush was elected. I learned all about this stuff back around 1990, 1991, maybe 1992. You know, it's as if Hollywood doesn't do a few movies about it, it never happened. It's weird. These people were terrorists, rapists, and murderers. Ayers was a major force within them. What's shameful is not that Barack Obama attended a fundraiser at the guy's house, 25 years after it all went down. What's shameful is that the culture at large, and especially the liberal elite in Chicagoland, gave all that a free pass. I actually think the Ayers issues matters, just not very much as regards to President Obama. The voters got to hear about most of this and most yawned and didn’t care because it was obvious to them that Obama was a small child at the time Ayers was active as a terrorist leader, and Ayers HAS NOT been violent since. There’s no reason to even suspect that Obama knew any of the details about Ayers’ decades-old record in more than scant detail. Why would he? The man’s a respected Chicago professor in the upper echelons of the Democratic machine there.

What’s troubling about Ayers is that he’s been allowed by so many to just have his history wiped away. That’s VERY troubling. There were a whole spate of really despicable characters in the "anti-war" movement of the 1960s, and it’s bothered me for many many years that most people just don’t know this stuff. The Left carries around this aura that they are the moral ones, the righteous ones, the ones who are non-violent, the ones who are constantly misunderstood: and the lesson of Ayers, Dohrn, and a whole bunch of others from that era is living proof that it’s not so. Cold-blooded murdering terrorists were part of that "anti-war" movement back then, and we should remember it the same way we remember George Orwell’s chilling lesson when he saw what the Communists were REALLY all about in Spain.

I was actually stunned a bit when Ayers came into the news this election cycle, since I’ve known for YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS about this stuff. I mean, before Bush was elected. I learned all about this stuff back around 1990, 1991, maybe 1992.

You know, it’s as if Hollywood doesn’t do a few movies about it, it never happened. It’s weird.

These people were terrorists, rapists, and murderers. Ayers was a major force within them. What’s shameful is not that Barack Obama attended a fundraiser at the guy’s house, 25 years after it all went down. What’s shameful is that the culture at large, and especially the liberal elite in Chicagoland, gave all that a free pass.

]]> By: jrogge http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/23/why-ayers-matters/#comment-166907 jrogge Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:20:04 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/23/why-ayers-matters/#comment-166907 You'll have better luck waiting for him to screw up in office than trying to peddle this line of attack. Loose associations and fabrications that he's somehow a British citizen are just going to make any legitimate claim against him harder to believe. You’ll have better luck waiting for him to screw up in office than trying to peddle this line of attack. Loose associations and fabrications that he’s somehow a British citizen are just going to make any legitimate claim against him harder to believe.

]]> By: zach http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/23/why-ayers-matters/#comment-166901 zach Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:46:02 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/23/why-ayers-matters/#comment-166901 kevin, you're right, who but the press likes clinton anymore? kevin,

you’re right, who but the press likes clinton anymore?

]]> By: Kevin D. http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/23/why-ayers-matters/#comment-166899 Kevin D. Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:39:21 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/23/why-ayers-matters/#comment-166899 Save it until they don't love him?  Though, looking back upon the Clinton years, I have to wonder what Obama would have to do to cause <em>that</em> to happen. Save it until they don’t love him?  Though, looking back upon the Clinton years, I have to wonder what Obama would have to do to cause that to happen.

]]> By: Dean Esmay http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/23/why-ayers-matters/#comment-166898 Dean Esmay Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:30:04 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2008/12/23/why-ayers-matters/#comment-166898 Ah. Now we can see there is substantial reason to believe Ayers lies when he said his intent was not to hurt anyone and purely to protest the war. But, will any of it stick to Obama? I'm not sure how it would, given that Obama was a young child when Ayers was trying to kill people and bring down the government. I would expect the administration to say they have no comment on Ayers and then change the subject. The mainstream press is unlikely to pursue this, because they love Obama. So how far can it go? Ah. Now we can see there is substantial reason to believe Ayers lies when he said his intent was not to hurt anyone and purely to protest the war.

But, will any of it stick to Obama? I’m not sure how it would, given that Obama was a young child when Ayers was trying to kill people and bring down the government. I would expect the administration to say they have no comment on Ayers and then change the subject.

The mainstream press is unlikely to pursue this, because they love Obama. So how far can it go?

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