Not quite yet. The process in Minnesota calls for certain issues to be reexaminable by the canvassing board after certification, and the Coleman camp sounds like they’re going to try. If the canvassing board rules in his favor on two of his three big issues (standards for rejection of absentee ballots, alleged double-counting of duplicate ballots, and alleged inconsistant treatment of missing and discovered ballots), there’s a chance of the election being reversed again. Not a *good* chance, mind you, but the process isn’t over yet.
It looks like the question I asked a few weeks ago on the front page may get played out: IS it over after the swearing in, or can Coleman STILL fight it? It’s starting to look like he can. Oy, what a mess.
The answer to Dean’s question is that, according to MN law, there apparently can be no swearing in until all the court cases are heard. State law prohibits certification of a winner until all disputes are resolved.
That said, a couple of dozen precincts have reported more votes tallied than voters who signed in. So it’ll be a while, I’d wager.
As I no longer live there, I wasn’t able to contribute to the confusion.
I’m not enthusiastic about having a Senator who’s made a career out of directing mildly humorous insults at people he disagrees with, but consider that the Senate floor has recently been graced by the presence of a crook and someone who cheats on his wife with men he picks up in airport restrooms, and also consider that current President Pro Tem of the Senate started his political career as a recruiter for the KKK. Heck, it’s quite possible Franken will improve the average moral standing of the Senate.
I’ve got a pretty low opinion of Franken. I see him as the leftist equivilent of Ann Coulter. When I say he may look good by comparison to other Senators, it’s because I have a very low opinion of other Senators.
Lots of funny business in the Coleman/Franken recount. I expect the GOP to filibuster against seating Franken, and of course for the left to go stark raving nuts over that.
CosmicConservative predictably misses the larger point:Â The good burghers of Minnesota, by most measures a sane and civic-minded lot, preferred a guy whose only talent is being funny over an incumbent Senator who oozes sleaze.
I just want to be sure you all understand me here. My opinion of Al Franken is not "low." My opinion of Al Franken is that he is mentally unstable in a pathological sense. I’ve seen him go absolutely nutzo in public on multiple occasions, including physically assaulting a variety of people.
I think the man is not sane. His visceral hatred of all things conservative goes beyond merely “partisan.” There’s something profoundly disturbing in how he views his ideological opponents. I find it difficult to believe that he will be able to co-exist peacefully with those he disagrees with.
I hope you’re right. The more Frankens, Blagos, Rangels, Dodd’s in the Democratic fold the easier it will be for us – once we Republicans get our s**t together (which we haven’t started doing yet).
Oh, cheer up! Al Franken will merely bring a different brand of comedy into the White House. The jokes running for the last 8 years are starting to get old.
I suspect you will regret those words one day. If you haven’t started to regret them already as it becomes clear that Obama is already re-running many of the same "jokes" you find so humorous. Over time you might even come to realize that most of the policies that you and others have attacked Bush so viciously over are pure and simple common sense.
Pure and simple common sense? I don’t believe a politician has done anything involving pure and simple common sense since the Civil Rights Act. Bush has done nothing resembling pure and simple common sense. He’s better that Cheney though.
If Obama travels down the same road, I’ll attack him too. Besides, when the public decides after only 4 years of a Republican majority that they need to vote them out of office, they probably noticed something you missed.
When a comedian can get enough votes to make an incumbent senator lose his seat, or even make it a close race it speaks volumes over the lack of substance your claim to ’simple common sense’ has.
The nation is looking to the Democrats to fix the economy. If you can’t laugh you’re going to be very angry for the next four years.
As every single Republican said in 2004: "The nation has spoken". When the Republicans fix their party and figure out who their base really is they’ll start getting re-elected.
If the Democrats "fix" anything I’ll be the first to give them credit.
If being elected after four years is a sign of public approval, Bush has that seal of approval himself.
We’ll see if you attack Obama jrogge, so far I haven’t seen you complaining much about his already reported continuation of Bush policies you’ve railed against.
Let’s see what he actually does about Iraq, Afghanistan, intelligence gathering, Guantanimo, Russia/Georgia, etc.
If his policies end up being more than a fingernail’s width apart from Bush’s I’ll be surprised. But if you don’t criticize him for it, I won’t be.
We’ll see if you attack Obama jrogge, so far I haven’t seen you complaining much about his already reported continuation of Bush policies you’ve railed against.
If you’re talking about Iraq, what have I railed against other than a loss of focus on Afghanistan and not using a "surge" initially? In fact, I’ve said numerous times that Iraq has already stated a timeline as to when they want soldiers out, and we should stick with the Iraqi deadline. You only read what you want to read it appears. It’s Bush’s utter disregard for anything domestic that I can’t stand. It isn’t what he did, but what he couldn’t do.
In any case, there is no continuation of policy. He is not President yet. We will not know exactly what he will do until he swears in. So far he is proving to be a more capable leader than Bush ever was. He has shown good judgment in picking a cabinet that will avoid the "groupthink" dilemma that plagued Bush’s. He appears better at organizing people and being, well, administrative. If you can’t see that, too bad.
You need to have a soda and wash the sour grapes taste from your palate.
Hillary Clinton, whose judment on the Iraq War he called into question. And who is the center of a NY Times article about potential influence peddling, not to mention the myriad of scandals she’s been linked to in the past.
Leon Panetta, who his own party’s senators have called irresponsibly unqualified.
Bill Richardson, who withdrew from the nomination becuase he faces potential federal prison.
Joe Biden.  I mean, Joe Biden!
I could go on.
Yeah, the man is a model of good judgment. So good that he’s not even President and the Senate Majority leader is already saying "I don’t work for Barack Obama."
As I’ve said before, you live in an alternate universe jrogge.
As far as sour grapes goes jrogge, you may also regret THOSE words. So far what I’ve seen of Obama looks a whole lot like Clinton and Bush from a policy and ideology perspective. Centrist, leaning right, picks an evangelical preacher to do his invocation, says he’ll continue most of the current policies of the Bush administration…
So far all I’ve seen is a lot of “meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”
I won’t take the time to talk about the various scandals Bush’s cronies were involved in. I’ll just say this. If Obama ends up the same as the old boss, like with Bush, I won’t lose any sleep over it. I will go on doing what I do. You just can’t accept the fact the the Republican party has gone batshit crazy and needs to be kicked out of office until they learn how to govern again. In fact you are a prime example. I don’t think you understand the whole team of rivals thing yet. Read up on it.
In either case, until he gets warmed up, starts setting policy into action, and starts actually running the country, I can’t pass judgement on the man. It took Bush a couple of years to show his spots, I didn’t criticize him either at that point.
You people with your premature judgements sound like Henny Penny. Like I said, sour grapes.
You’re right, if I am completely wrong then I will regret my words. You on the other hand will spit the same partisan hackery and drivel regardless of how wrong you are. Unlike you I have a conscience.
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Not quite yet. The process in Minnesota calls for certain issues to be reexaminable by the canvassing board after certification, and the Coleman camp sounds like they’re going to try. If the canvassing board rules in his favor on two of his three big issues (standards for rejection of absentee ballots, alleged double-counting of duplicate ballots, and alleged inconsistant treatment of missing and discovered ballots), there’s a chance of the election being reversed again. Not a *good* chance, mind you, but the process isn’t over yet.
Count and recount until you get the answer you want.
It looks like the question I asked a few weeks ago on the front page may get played out: IS it over after the swearing in, or can Coleman STILL fight it? It’s starting to look like he can. Oy, what a mess.
The answer to Dean’s question is that, according to MN law, there apparently can be no swearing in until all the court cases are heard. State law prohibits certification of a winner until all disputes are resolved.
That said, a couple of dozen precincts have reported more votes tallied than voters who signed in. So it’ll be a while, I’d wager.
As I no longer live there, I wasn’t able to contribute to the confusion.
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Let us pray that everytime he opens his mouth it doesn’t get any worse.
This is no longer a serious country.
No serious country would elect a certifiable nutbag like Al Franken to the post of dogcatcher, much less Senator.
I think there is a fairly significant chance that Al Franken will physically assault someone on the Senate floor.
If it happens, remember where you saw it first.
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The country didn’t elect him, Minnesota did.   Â
More specifically, the workings of the Democratic party of Minnesota put him over the edge. Â
And it’s still about 50.01/49.99, so hope is not yet lost for the country.
 And don’t forget, Franken was the headline star who was supposed to bring legitimacy, audience, and guaranteed success to Air America. Â
 If his Senate career is as “successful†as his Air America stint, the world will be a better place….
I’m not enthusiastic about having a Senator who’s made a career out of directing mildly humorous insults at people he disagrees with, but consider that the Senate floor has recently been graced by the presence of a crook and someone who cheats on his wife with men he picks up in airport restrooms, and also consider that current President Pro Tem of the Senate started his political career as a recruiter for the KKK. Heck, it’s quite possible Franken will improve the average moral standing of the Senate.
Eric:
I think you seriously underestimate how truly unbalanced Franken is. We’ll see.
CosmicConservative’s last blog post..Doesn’t surprise me one bit
I’ve got a pretty low opinion of Franken. I see him as the leftist equivilent of Ann Coulter. When I say he may look good by comparison to other Senators, it’s because I have a very low opinion of other Senators.
Lots of funny business in the Coleman/Franken recount. I expect the GOP to filibuster against seating Franken, and of course for the left to go stark raving nuts over that.
Good treatment here.
CosmicConservative predictably misses the larger point:Â The good burghers of Minnesota, by most measures a sane and civic-minded lot, preferred a guy whose only talent is being funny over an incumbent Senator who oozes sleaze.
I just want to be sure you all understand me here. My opinion of Al Franken is not "low." My opinion of Al Franken is that he is mentally unstable in a pathological sense. I’ve seen him go absolutely nutzo in public on multiple occasions, including physically assaulting a variety of people.
I think the man is not sane. His visceral hatred of all things conservative goes beyond merely “partisan.” There’s something profoundly disturbing in how he views his ideological opponents. I find it difficult to believe that he will be able to co-exist peacefully with those he disagrees with.
CosmicConservative’s last blog post..Doesn’t surprise me one bit
I think the man is not sane.
I hope you’re right. The more Frankens, Blagos, Rangels, Dodd’s in the Democratic fold the easier it will be for us – once we Republicans get our s**t together (which we haven’t started doing yet).
It’s not who votes that counts, it’s who counts the votes.
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Physically assaulting people? I hadn’t heard about that. I’d always figured his vitriol was exaggerated for entertainment purposes.
Oh, cheer up! Al Franken will merely bring a different brand of comedy into the White House. The jokes running for the last 8 years are starting to get old.
jrogge:
I suspect you will regret those words one day. If you haven’t started to regret them already as it becomes clear that Obama is already re-running many of the same "jokes" you find so humorous. Over time you might even come to realize that most of the policies that you and others have attacked Bush so viciously over are pure and simple common sense.
CosmicConservative’s last blog post..Doesn’t surprise me one bit
Pure and simple common sense? I don’t believe a politician has done anything involving pure and simple common sense since the Civil Rights Act. Bush has done nothing resembling pure and simple common sense. He’s better that Cheney though.
If Obama travels down the same road, I’ll attack him too. Besides, when the public decides after only 4 years of a Republican majority that they need to vote them out of office, they probably noticed something you missed.
When a comedian can get enough votes to make an incumbent senator lose his seat, or even make it a close race it speaks volumes over the lack of substance your claim to ’simple common sense’ has.
The nation is looking to the Democrats to fix the economy. If you can’t laugh you’re going to be very angry for the next four years.
As every single Republican said in 2004: "The nation has spoken". When the Republicans fix their party and figure out who their base really is they’ll start getting re-elected.
jrogge:
If the Democrats "fix" anything I’ll be the first to give them credit.
If being elected after four years is a sign of public approval, Bush has that seal of approval himself.
We’ll see if you attack Obama jrogge, so far I haven’t seen you complaining much about his already reported continuation of Bush policies you’ve railed against.
Let’s see what he actually does about Iraq, Afghanistan, intelligence gathering, Guantanimo, Russia/Georgia, etc.
If his policies end up being more than a fingernail’s width apart from Bush’s I’ll be surprised. But if you don’t criticize him for it, I won’t be.
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We’ll see if you attack Obama jrogge, so far I haven’t seen you complaining much about his already reported continuation of Bush policies you’ve railed against.
If you’re talking about Iraq, what have I railed against other than a loss of focus on Afghanistan and not using a "surge" initially? In fact, I’ve said numerous times that Iraq has already stated a timeline as to when they want soldiers out, and we should stick with the Iraqi deadline. You only read what you want to read it appears. It’s Bush’s utter disregard for anything domestic that I can’t stand. It isn’t what he did, but what he couldn’t do.
In any case, there is no continuation of policy. He is not President yet. We will not know exactly what he will do until he swears in. So far he is proving to be a more capable leader than Bush ever was. He has shown good judgment in picking a cabinet that will avoid the "groupthink" dilemma that plagued Bush’s. He appears better at organizing people and being, well, administrative. If you can’t see that, too bad.
You need to have a soda and wash the sour grapes taste from your palate.
Cabinet picks:
Hillary Clinton, whose judment on the Iraq War he called into question. And who is the center of a NY Times article about potential influence peddling, not to mention the myriad of scandals she’s been linked to in the past.
Leon Panetta, who his own party’s senators have called irresponsibly unqualified.
Bill Richardson, who withdrew from the nomination becuase he faces potential federal prison.
Joe Biden.  I mean, Joe Biden!
I could go on.
Yeah, the man is a model of good judgment. So good that he’s not even President and the Senate Majority leader is already saying "I don’t work for Barack Obama."
As I’ve said before, you live in an alternate universe jrogge.
As far as sour grapes goes jrogge, you may also regret THOSE words. So far what I’ve seen of Obama looks a whole lot like Clinton and Bush from a policy and ideology perspective. Centrist, leaning right, picks an evangelical preacher to do his invocation, says he’ll continue most of the current policies of the Bush administration…
So far all I’ve seen is a lot of “meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”
Sour grapes indeed. LOL
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I won’t take the time to talk about the various scandals Bush’s cronies were involved in. I’ll just say this. If Obama ends up the same as the old boss, like with Bush, I won’t lose any sleep over it. I will go on doing what I do. You just can’t accept the fact the the Republican party has gone batshit crazy and needs to be kicked out of office until they learn how to govern again. In fact you are a prime example. I don’t think you understand the whole team of rivals thing yet. Read up on it.
In either case, until he gets warmed up, starts setting policy into action, and starts actually running the country, I can’t pass judgement on the man. It took Bush a couple of years to show his spots, I didn’t criticize him either at that point.
You people with your premature judgements sound like Henny Penny. Like I said, sour grapes.
You’re right, if I am completely wrong then I will regret my words. You on the other hand will spit the same partisan hackery and drivel regardless of how wrong you are. Unlike you I have a conscience.
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