Comments on: Quiet http://deanesmay.com/2009/01/06/the-clearing/ Defending the liberal tradition in history, science, and philosophy. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:24:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Dean Esmay http://deanesmay.com/2009/01/06/the-clearing/#comment-167936 Dean Esmay Sun, 25 Jan 2009 06:32:45 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2009/01/06/the-clearing/#comment-167936 S'great, isn't it? I'm waiting for them to call her a "child murderer" and trying to justify that on this poor lady. S’great, isn’t it?

I’m waiting for them to call her a "child murderer" and trying to justify that on this poor lady.

]]> By: Liam in Maui... http://deanesmay.com/2009/01/06/the-clearing/#comment-167934 Liam in Maui... Sun, 25 Jan 2009 06:04:11 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2009/01/06/the-clearing/#comment-167934 Forgive me for not letting this go - and for not contributing to Celia's "Quiet" which I think is a beautiful and kind concept- but I feel compelled to bring whatever small discoveries I can to the table and I do so only in complete honor of Christine. So here's my latest tidbit: I just discovered an interview with a woman on the HIV orthodox website "TheBody.Com" about her journey as an HIV positive woman.  I don't even know how I found this, but I was piqued by the notion that this woman had tested positive in 1991 and this interview was dated October 15 2008.   This woman has become a spokesperson for the HIV orthodoxy and presumably pro-treatment much as Christine had done in her first year of Diagnosis.  Imagine my surprise then when I read about half way through the interview the following: <strong> "When did you start treatment?</strong> Actually, I'm not on treatment. <strong>You never took treatment?</strong> No. <strong>Wow.</strong> I don't take medications. I was diagnosed with AIDS two years ago because my T cells went down. They came back up. I never took a medication, I never had a symptom. I do holistic things. <strong>Are you in any long-term studies of people who don't progress very much?</strong> Yes, I have been. I'm not anymore, but I was in a research study with the University of Miami." So here we have someone who has made the decision to decline pharmaceutical treatment and has lived in perfect health for 17 years, yet since she is not labelled a "denialist" and is towing the party line, she is CONGRATULATED rather than RIDICULED!! Does anyone else smell a Big Fat Rat?  I wonder if the bloggers would be so willing to crucify this woman for making treatment choices that deviate from the pharmaceutical route.The link to the complete article is here: http://www.thebody.com/content/art49022.html Forgive me for not letting this go – and for not contributing to Celia’s "Quiet" which I think is a beautiful and kind concept- but I feel compelled to bring whatever small discoveries I can to the table and I do so only in complete honor of Christine. So here’s my latest tidbit: I just discovered an interview with a woman on the HIV orthodox website "TheBody.Com" about her journey as an HIV positive woman.  I don’t even know how I found this, but I was piqued by the notion that this woman had tested positive in 1991 and this interview was dated October 15 2008.   This woman has become a spokesperson for the HIV orthodoxy and presumably pro-treatment much as Christine had done in her first year of Diagnosis.  Imagine my surprise then when I read about half way through the interview the following:
“When did you start treatment?
Actually, I’m not on treatment.
You never took treatment?
No.
Wow.
I don’t take medications. I was diagnosed with AIDS two years ago because my T cells went down. They came back up. I never took a medication, I never had a symptom. I do holistic things.
Are you in any long-term studies of people who don’t progress very much?
Yes, I have been. I’m not anymore, but I was in a research study with the University of Miami.”
So here we have someone who has made the decision to decline pharmaceutical treatment and has lived in perfect health for 17 years, yet since she is not labelled a "denialist" and is towing the party line, she is CONGRATULATED rather than RIDICULED!! Does anyone else smell a Big Fat Rat?  I wonder if the bloggers would be so willing to crucify this woman for making treatment choices that deviate from the pharmaceutical route.The link to the complete article is here:
http://www.thebody.com/content/art49022.html

]]> By: Dean Esmay http://deanesmay.com/2009/01/06/the-clearing/#comment-167548 Dean Esmay Sat, 17 Jan 2009 02:36:17 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2009/01/06/the-clearing/#comment-167548 So in other words, you viciously attacked her as a child murderer. Suddenly you decide to assuage your own conscience by saying nice things about her now that she's dead. My God. You and your friends tormented and slandered this woman in life--you're exactly the type of person Celia was talking about. I've seen people worse than you, but that isn't saying much. So in other words, you viciously attacked her as a child murderer. Suddenly you decide to assuage your own conscience by saying nice things about her now that she’s dead.

My God. You and your friends tormented and slandered this woman in life–you’re exactly the type of person Celia was talking about. I’ve seen people worse than you, but that isn’t saying much.

]]> By: jtdeshong http://deanesmay.com/2009/01/06/the-clearing/#comment-167547 jtdeshong Sat, 17 Jan 2009 02:13:03 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2009/01/06/the-clearing/#comment-167547 Miss Farber, Above you wrote this: "I also defy anybody to find one example in which her attackers chose to treat her with respect, fairness, dignity, or decency. Find <em>one. " </em>I have at least one very beautiful (at least I think) post about Christine Maggiore, a woman whom I have at least one major conflict of interest with.  It is at my blog: www.dissidents4dumbees.blogspot.com At this site, I write a very respectful blog about this woman, whom I called a "toddler killer" in life, but tried to show the utmost respect in death. Please see that at least some of us "orthodox" do understand and appreciate the human spirit, no matter how much we may disagree. Very Sincerely, J. Todd DeShong www.dissidents4dumbees.blogspot.com Also, if you would like to communicate off-line, my email: jtdeshong@hotmail.com <em>jtdeshong's last blog post..<a href='http://dissidents4dumbees.blogspot.com/2008/12/great-evidence-that-those-at-ame-are.html' rel="nofollow">Great Evidence That Those at AME are Clueless</a></em> Miss Farber,
Above you wrote this:
"I also defy anybody to find one example in which her attackers chose to treat her with respect, fairness, dignity, or decency. Find one. "
I have at least one very beautiful (at least I think) post about Christine Maggiore, a woman whom I have at least one major conflict of interest with.  It is at my blog:
http://www.dissidents4dumbees.blogspot.com
At this site, I write a very respectful blog about this woman, whom I called a "toddler killer" in life, but tried to show the utmost respect in death.
Please see that at least some of us "orthodox" do understand and appreciate the human spirit, no matter how much we may disagree.
Very Sincerely,
J. Todd DeShong
http://www.dissidents4dumbees.blogspot.com
Also, if you would like to communicate off-line, my email:
jtdeshong@hotmail.com

jtdeshong’s last blog post..Great Evidence That Those at AME are Clueless

]]> By: Liam in Maui... http://deanesmay.com/2009/01/06/the-clearing/#comment-167487 Liam in Maui... Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:29:29 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2009/01/06/the-clearing/#comment-167487 Amazing - I actually have found a fair article about the sad news of Christine's death.  Incredible that both Celia and Christine were respectfully supported in this article.  Check it out - from the Vue Weekly - Edmonton, AB Canada http://www.vueweekly.com/article.php?id=10759 Amazing – I actually have found a fair article about the sad news of Christine’s death.  Incredible that both Celia and Christine were respectfully supported in this article.  Check it out – from the Vue Weekly – Edmonton, AB Canada
http://www.vueweekly.com/article.php?id=10759

]]> By: Mc Kiernan http://deanesmay.com/2009/01/06/the-clearing/#comment-167299 Mc Kiernan Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:42:54 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2009/01/06/the-clearing/#comment-167299 Celia, <a href="http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:8sjDs_vchccJ:www.deanesmay.com/2009/01/02/in-her-own-words-a-dec-19-email-from-christine-maggiore/" rel="nofollow">Love is not the only survival. </a> There is always the internet. Celia,

Love is not the only survival.

There is always the internet.

]]> By: Celia Farber responds « Don’t Get Fooled Again http://deanesmay.com/2009/01/06/the-clearing/#comment-167298 Celia Farber responds « Don’t Get Fooled Again Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:23:13 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2009/01/06/the-clearing/#comment-167298 [...] leave a comment » From Dean’s World [...] [...] leave a comment » From Dean’s World [...]

]]> By: Dean Esmay http://deanesmay.com/2009/01/06/the-clearing/#comment-167257 Dean Esmay Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:38:36 +0000 http://deanesmay.com/2009/01/06/the-clearing/#comment-167257 I have seen critics of Christine's work who are calm and rational and not-nasty. But I have seen some that is so vicious, nasty, and borderline hysterical it's disturbing. Even from people I knew personally and used to respect. Rest in Peace, Christine. A shining example of graciousness, decency, and a fierce commitment to telling the truth. I have seen critics of Christine’s work who are calm and rational and not-nasty. But I have seen some that is so vicious, nasty, and borderline hysterical it’s disturbing. Even from people I knew personally and used to respect.

Rest in Peace, Christine. A shining example of graciousness, decency, and a fierce commitment to telling the truth.

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