It’s well-known that violence in Iraq has declined, but you might surprised to learn just how far.
Taking the 2008 numbers from icasaulties.org, we find 5929 violent deaths in the country. This number is probably overstated (the official number from the gov’t of Iraq is lower — 5714) as the icasaulties.org numbers come from Iraq Body Count, an explicitly anti-war site that relies on newspaper reports (Iraq’s free press is only a few years old and tends to print wild rumors that turn out to be exaggerated), but should serve as a reasonable compromise. Divided by Iraq’s population of 28.2 million, that gives us a violent death rate of 21 per 100,000.Â
How does that compare to other countries? Well, in 2008, Iraq had a lower violent death rate than quite a few countries in Africa (including South Africa), South America (including Brazil) and Central America (including Venezuela), as well as popular tourist destination Jamaica(!).  While you’re  not likely to see “Vacation in Sunny Iraq” (or “Sunni Iraq” for that matter) ad campaigns from travel agencies anytime soon (and Iraq’s current, arguably tenuous peace is kept with hundreds of thousands of security personnel) it’s certainly an interesting piece of context, as those countries are generally not considered to be in any special distress.
And Iraq is actually less violent than the 2008 numbers would indicate. Remember, in the first half of the year Iraqi forces fought pitched battles to liberate Shia cities from the Sadrists, which vastly improved conditions from Basra to Al Kut but caused deaths to spike over the months of active operations. Taking just the last six months of data, when those operations had largely wound down, we get a violent death rate of just 14.3 — less violent than Puerto Rico or Russia.


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Well done, Dave.Â
Unfortunately, no society that is even vaguely free will ever achieve the degree of state monopoly on violence that an authoritarian one like Saddam’s Iraq can. And that’s the standard that Baghdadis in particular are looking to. There will always be a certain degree of nostalgia, at least in some quarters, for the"good old days".
But, but… there was a suicide bomber the other day! Doesn’t that prove that Iraq is sliding into chaos?
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So why don’t we compare Iraq’s violence to Obama’s Chicago?
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Chicago is about 15.65 per 100,000 per year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago
Of course, comparing countries to cities is unfair, as urban areas are generally more violent. I very much doubt Baghdad was less violent than Chicago in 2008.
Why don’t we mention that Obama’s Chicago, IL ranks a lot lower that John Ashcroft’s St. Louis, MO?
El-Oh-El!
Because John Ashcroft was never a community organizer in St. Louis, nor a candidate for President.
EL – OH – EL!!
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Chicago doesn’t make the top ten or even the top 25 list for the most violent cities in America yet it has just as much urban blight.
It ranks under Birmingham, AL.
El-Oh-El!
A “community organizer” is a polite way of saying grassroots activist. They hold no sway over legislation for the city!
El-Oh-El!
John Ashcroft was Attorney general!
El-Em-Ef-Ay-Oh!
This has nothing to do with the violence in Iraq.
El-Oh-El!
LOL, jrogge, who are you going to vent your internal anger at when Bush is gone?
You better start making a list.
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My internal anger? I have very little. Your internal anger? Volumous, like a cancer. Any topic it seems turns into an attack on Obama. Not even good attacks, just one line smears that have no substance or bearing on the topic. You need therapy. I get mine by laughing at you.
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