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		<title>By: Dave Price</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/03/23/the-mullahs-are-afraid/#comment-171268</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Considering that in the speech the President DID in fact criticize them for such things, what is your basis for saying this?&lt;/i&gt;

Where?  

&lt;i&gt;And what makes you think they’re afraid of being criticized by the Americans? &lt;/i&gt;

Because they demanded we stop as a condition of negotiations?  Because our criticism leads to things like sanctions?  Do you think the Soviets liked being called an evil empire?  The appearance of morality matters a lot.

&lt;i&gt;Do you honestly think they were afraid to jail dissidents when Bush was in office?&lt;/i&gt;

I think they found our criticism very inconvenient.  How nice for them that&#039;s apparently going to stop now.

&lt;i&gt;Come on, Dave, you’re smarter than that.&lt;/i&gt;

Come on Dean, think about this for a second.  Let&#039;s say your neighbor has been sexually molesting his kids, and you&#039;ve been complaining about it loudly and publicly.  You two have been fighting over other things too (say, trees he&#039;s been cutting down that are on your property).  He says &quot;OK, well we can talk about the trees, but first you have to stop criticizing what I do with my kids.&quot;  You think he&#039;s bothered?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Considering that in the speech the President DID in fact criticize them for such things, what is your basis for saying this?</i></p>
<p>Where?  </p>
<p><i>And what makes you think they’re afraid of being criticized by the Americans? </i></p>
<p>Because they demanded we stop as a condition of negotiations?  Because our criticism leads to things like sanctions?  Do you think the Soviets liked being called an evil empire?  The appearance of morality matters a lot.</p>
<p><i>Do you honestly think they were afraid to jail dissidents when Bush was in office?</i></p>
<p>I think they found our criticism very inconvenient.  How nice for them that&#8217;s apparently going to stop now.</p>
<p><i>Come on, Dave, you’re smarter than that.</i></p>
<p>Come on Dean, think about this for a second.  Let&#8217;s say your neighbor has been sexually molesting his kids, and you&#8217;ve been complaining about it loudly and publicly.  You two have been fighting over other things too (say, trees he&#8217;s been cutting down that are on your property).  He says &#8220;OK, well we can talk about the trees, but first you have to stop criticizing what I do with my kids.&#8221;  You think he&#8217;s bothered?</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/03/23/the-mullahs-are-afraid/#comment-171258</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian: I agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian: I agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/03/23/the-mullahs-are-afraid/#comment-171257</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The message here is clear: the Iranian gov’t should feel they can now arrest, torture, and murder dissidents while building nuclear weapons and sponsoring terrorism, and Washington will be much less likely to criticize them for it.&lt;/i&gt;

Considering that in the speech the President DID in fact criticize them for such things, what is your basis for saying this?

And what makes you think they&#039;re afraid of being criticized by the Americans? Do you honestly think they were afraid to jail dissidents when Bush was in office? Come on, Dave, you&#039;re smarter than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The message here is clear: the Iranian gov’t should feel they can now arrest, torture, and murder dissidents while building nuclear weapons and sponsoring terrorism, and Washington will be much less likely to criticize them for it.</i></p>
<p>Considering that in the speech the President DID in fact criticize them for such things, what is your basis for saying this?</p>
<p>And what makes you think they&#8217;re afraid of being criticized by the Americans? Do you honestly think they were afraid to jail dissidents when Bush was in office? Come on, Dave, you&#8217;re smarter than that.</p>
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		<title>By: cardeblu</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/03/23/the-mullahs-are-afraid/#comment-171195</link>
		<dc:creator>cardeblu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 03:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of Iran and videos:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfOY-gSMnm8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Iran during the Shah&lt;/a&gt;.   I know the shah wasn&#039;t that much of a good guy, probably mostly bad (and I really don&#039;t remember much as I was just a HS senior in Podunk, ID, when they took over the American Embassy), but based on this video Iran was definitely a lot better then than it is now.   

It&#039;s just so sad to think what could have been...

&lt;i&gt;(via &lt;a href=&quot;http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Gateway Pundit&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Iran and videos:  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfOY-gSMnm8" rel="nofollow">Iran during the Shah</a>.   I know the shah wasn&#8217;t that much of a good guy, probably mostly bad (and I really don&#8217;t remember much as I was just a HS senior in Podunk, ID, when they took over the American Embassy), but based on this video Iran was definitely a lot better then than it is now.   </p>
<p>It&#8217;s just so sad to think what could have been&#8230;</p>
<p><i>(via <a href="http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"> Gateway Pundit</a>)</i></p>
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		<title>By: Dave Price</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/03/23/the-mullahs-are-afraid/#comment-171183</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Dean, one point here to note, that Irans elections are not fully free and fair, but neither are they completely rigged.&lt;/i&gt; 

They&#039;re as rigged as the mullahs need them to be.  Last time out, the reformers gave up and just boycotted them.

This video accomplishes absolutely nothing useful.  It&#039;s not objectionable, it&#039;s just a bunch of meaningless fluff that totally ignores the major issues in Iran.  

The message here is clear: the Iranian gov&#039;t should feel they can now arrest, torture, and murder dissidents while building nuclear weapons and sponsoring terrorism, and Washington will be much less likely to criticize them for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Dean, one point here to note, that Irans elections are not fully free and fair, but neither are they completely rigged.</i> </p>
<p>They&#8217;re as rigged as the mullahs need them to be.  Last time out, the reformers gave up and just boycotted them.</p>
<p>This video accomplishes absolutely nothing useful.  It&#8217;s not objectionable, it&#8217;s just a bunch of meaningless fluff that totally ignores the major issues in Iran.  </p>
<p>The message here is clear: the Iranian gov&#8217;t should feel they can now arrest, torture, and murder dissidents while building nuclear weapons and sponsoring terrorism, and Washington will be much less likely to criticize them for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mc Kiernan</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/03/23/the-mullahs-are-afraid/#comment-171179</link>
		<dc:creator>Mc Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Top ten thought experiments on Iran:


The mullahs are starting to recognize political life is transitory.

What fills the void beside nukes and threats ?

Obama-speech equals opening gambit, but Mideast uses different  parchesi board.

Diplomacy is the art of  psychological warfare.

Obama is really irish american.      Huh ?.

Who’s in charge of  the  Hillary/Bill/Obama/Teleprompter psychodrama  ? 

If  Hillary is  great as the Sec of State, can we assume Pelosi is not a nightmare ?

Has Mahmoud Ahmadinejad used up his international,  microphone air miles ?

Sorry, there’s only nine top ten thought experiments.

Oops,  

How do we help these ordinary Iranians undermine the Mullahs in power?

Answer,

Send their blood samples to the CDC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Top ten thought experiments on Iran:</p>
<p>The mullahs are starting to recognize political life is transitory.</p>
<p>What fills the void beside nukes and threats ?</p>
<p>Obama-speech equals opening gambit, but Mideast uses different  parchesi board.</p>
<p>Diplomacy is the art of  psychological warfare.</p>
<p>Obama is really irish american.      Huh ?.</p>
<p>Who’s in charge of  the  Hillary/Bill/Obama/Teleprompter psychodrama  ? </p>
<p>If  Hillary is  great as the Sec of State, can we assume Pelosi is not a nightmare ?</p>
<p>Has Mahmoud Ahmadinejad used up his international,  microphone air miles ?</p>
<p>Sorry, there’s only nine top ten thought experiments.</p>
<p>Oops,  </p>
<p>How do we help these ordinary Iranians undermine the Mullahs in power?</p>
<p>Answer,</p>
<p>Send their blood samples to the CDC</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Barnes</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/03/23/the-mullahs-are-afraid/#comment-171178</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;if you dont think a common ground exists between ordinary Iranians and American values, then you’re on teh far pessimistic side of the issue.&lt;/i&gt;

I think there is a lotta common ground between ordinary Iranians and American values.  How do we help these ordinary Iranians undermine the Mullahs in power?

--HankB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>if you dont think a common ground exists between ordinary Iranians and American values, then you’re on teh far pessimistic side of the issue.</i></p>
<p>I think there is a lotta common ground between ordinary Iranians and American values.  How do we help these ordinary Iranians undermine the Mullahs in power?</p>
<p>&#8211;HankB</p>
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		<title>By: P Mike</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/03/23/the-mullahs-are-afraid/#comment-171166</link>
		<dc:creator>P Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also got to wonder why the big O didn&#039;t direct his comments to the Shah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also got to wonder why the big O didn&#8217;t direct his comments to the Shah.</p>
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		<title>By: P Mike</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/03/23/the-mullahs-are-afraid/#comment-171165</link>
		<dc:creator>P Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Indeed, I could easily see George W. Bush giving the exact same speech, minus the overture to having negotiations.&quot;  One MAJOR difference, if Bush had made such a statement it would have been universally panned because HE doesn&#039;t understand mid Easterners, whereas it&#039;s a great statement from Obama because HE does.

I think this was a transparent and blatant attempt to influence the Iranian elections, and that in and of itself would be enough for me to be angry if I were Iranian; remember Chinese contributions to US campaigns?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Indeed, I could easily see George W. Bush giving the exact same speech, minus the overture to having negotiations.&#8221;  One MAJOR difference, if Bush had made such a statement it would have been universally panned because HE doesn&#8217;t understand mid Easterners, whereas it&#8217;s a great statement from Obama because HE does.</p>
<p>I think this was a transparent and blatant attempt to influence the Iranian elections, and that in and of itself would be enough for me to be angry if I were Iranian; remember Chinese contributions to US campaigns?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Tiemann</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/03/23/the-mullahs-are-afraid/#comment-171164</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Tiemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought experiment:

Replace Obama with Bush, the stuff about the Nowruz video with the &quot;Axis of Evil&quot; speech, and &quot;screw up the region coding on those DVDs to the UK&quot; with &quot;sit around reading My Pet Goat on 9/11&quot;, and see if this doesn&#039;t look familiar.

Point being, I think people are increasingly seeing that just about any President, no matter how well-spoken and heavily armored against criticism of their choices of personal conduct and vocabulary, will be subject to the kind of scrutiny over his gaffes that will turn him into a complete imbecile if the one telling the story wishes to paint it thus; and no matter how clumsy and feckless the team with which he surrounds himself, will be able to come up with flashes of timeless brilliance that will appear in retrospect to be grand milestones in our history.

If only we could look at every Presidency in remote hindsight while it&#039;s still happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought experiment:</p>
<p>Replace Obama with Bush, the stuff about the Nowruz video with the &#8220;Axis of Evil&#8221; speech, and &#8220;screw up the region coding on those DVDs to the UK&#8221; with &#8220;sit around reading My Pet Goat on 9/11&#8243;, and see if this doesn&#8217;t look familiar.</p>
<p>Point being, I think people are increasingly seeing that just about any President, no matter how well-spoken and heavily armored against criticism of their choices of personal conduct and vocabulary, will be subject to the kind of scrutiny over his gaffes that will turn him into a complete imbecile if the one telling the story wishes to paint it thus; and no matter how clumsy and feckless the team with which he surrounds himself, will be able to come up with flashes of timeless brilliance that will appear in retrospect to be grand milestones in our history.</p>
<p>If only we could look at every Presidency in remote hindsight while it&#8217;s still happening.</p>
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