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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/04/28/arlen-specter-d-pa/#comment-172536</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, I don&#039;t think you can back that up. I mean, is just switching parties 30+ years ago, and doing it again today, proof that he &quot;can&#039;t be trusted?&quot; 

I&#039;m not trying to give you a hard time but seriously, were you this hard on Joe Lieberman? Would you be this hard on a &quot;centrist, independent-minded&quot; Democrat (say, Zell Miller) who announced he was switching from Democrat to Republican?

I&#039;ll believe you if you say &quot;yes.&quot; All I&#039;m saying is, can we all make sure we&#039;re being fair when someone feels like their party has abandoned them and that they need to make a switch?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, I don&#8217;t think you can back that up. I mean, is just switching parties 30+ years ago, and doing it again today, proof that he &#8220;can&#8217;t be trusted?&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to give you a hard time but seriously, were you this hard on Joe Lieberman? Would you be this hard on a &#8220;centrist, independent-minded&#8221; Democrat (say, Zell Miller) who announced he was switching from Democrat to Republican?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll believe you if you say &#8220;yes.&#8221; All I&#8217;m saying is, can we all make sure we&#8217;re being fair when someone feels like their party has abandoned them and that they need to make a switch?</p>
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		<title>By: Yu-Ain Gonnano</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/04/28/arlen-specter-d-pa/#comment-172535</link>
		<dc:creator>Yu-Ain Gonnano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it was 30 years ago.  But it was for the exact same reasons.  He ought not to be trusted *now* to do anything more than get coffee.

But he will.

At least so long as he remains Pelosi&#039;s and Reid&#039;s useful (f/t)ool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it was 30 years ago.  But it was for the exact same reasons.  He ought not to be trusted *now* to do anything more than get coffee.</p>
<p>But he will.</p>
<p>At least so long as he remains Pelosi&#8217;s and Reid&#8217;s useful (f/t)ool.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/04/28/arlen-specter-d-pa/#comment-172527</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, dude, that was 30 years ago, and in a completely different office. When I say you can only switch parties once, I meant when you&#039;re in a body like the Senate. But you can stretch the example if you have to; I concede that if Specter waits 10 years or so before trying it, he might be able to become a Senate Republican again, although he&#039;d still pay a price. Generally, in a legislative body, nobody trusts an obvious turncoat. You can change parties once and say it&#039;s a matter of conscience, but if you keep flipping parties, no one in either party will ever trust you to do anything more than get coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, dude, that was 30 years ago, and in a completely different office. When I say you can only switch parties once, I meant when you&#8217;re in a body like the Senate. But you can stretch the example if you have to; I concede that if Specter waits 10 years or so before trying it, he might be able to become a Senate Republican again, although he&#8217;d still pay a price. Generally, in a legislative body, nobody trusts an obvious turncoat. You can change parties once and say it&#8217;s a matter of conscience, but if you keep flipping parties, no one in either party will ever trust you to do anything more than get coffee.</p>
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		<title>By: CosmicConservative</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/04/28/arlen-specter-d-pa/#comment-172515</link>
		<dc:creator>CosmicConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say jrogge got this one just about right.

And yes, Specter is a pathetic political whore. I have always despised the man. Good riddance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say jrogge got this one just about right.</p>
<p>And yes, Specter is a pathetic political whore. I have always despised the man. Good riddance.</p>
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		<title>By: jaymaster</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/04/28/arlen-specter-d-pa/#comment-172507</link>
		<dc:creator>jaymaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I voted for the SOB at least twice, while I was registered independent.  I wasn’t crazy about it either time, but I definitely considered him the lesser of two evils.  It&#039;s not that he&#039;s not &quot;conservative&quot; enough for me.  It&#039;s that he is nothing but a weathervane.

IMO, he is a text book professional politician, a poll follower, and a “whatever is best for me first” kind of guy.

I registered as a Republican last year so I could vote against folks like him in the primaries.  I say good riddance.   He&#039;s NMFP now.  (not my f&#039;in problem).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted for the SOB at least twice, while I was registered independent.  I wasn’t crazy about it either time, but I definitely considered him the lesser of two evils.  It&#8217;s not that he&#8217;s not &#8220;conservative&#8221; enough for me.  It&#8217;s that he is nothing but a weathervane.</p>
<p>IMO, he is a text book professional politician, a poll follower, and a “whatever is best for me first” kind of guy.</p>
<p>I registered as a Republican last year so I could vote against folks like him in the primaries.  I say good riddance.   He&#8217;s NMFP now.  (not my f&#8217;in problem).</p>
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		<title>By: Yu-Ain Gonnano</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/04/28/arlen-specter-d-pa/#comment-172506</link>
		<dc:creator>Yu-Ain Gonnano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean,
Specter&#039;s been a &lt;a href=&quot;http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/flash/politics/20090414_SPECTER/1965Elected.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democrat before.&lt;/a&gt;

He switched parties after failing to win the Dem nomination for District Attorney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean,<br />
Specter&#8217;s been a <a href="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/flash/politics/20090414_SPECTER/1965Elected.pdf" rel="nofollow">Democrat before.</a></p>
<p>He switched parties after failing to win the Dem nomination for District Attorney.</p>
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		<title>By: ArnoldHarris</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/04/28/arlen-specter-d-pa/#comment-172500</link>
		<dc:creator>ArnoldHarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, maybe they just get aploplectic without the extra c.

(Dean, my man. Whatever happened to the &quot;edit your own weird errors&quot; option they you so nicely made available, once upon a time in good old Dean&#039;s World?)

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, maybe they just get aploplectic without the extra c.</p>
<p>(Dean, my man. Whatever happened to the &#8220;edit your own weird errors&#8221; option they you so nicely made available, once upon a time in good old Dean&#8217;s World?)</p>
<p>Arnold Harris<br />
Mount Horeb WI</p>
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		<title>By: ArnoldHarris</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/04/28/arlen-specter-d-pa/#comment-172499</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The two major parties are both under control of ideologues respectively on the right and on the left.  If you are a Democrat in the US Senate and utter so much as a peep against Obama, or had done the same in support of Bush&#039;s war aims in Iraq, you find yourself facing a primary challenge at re-election time, per Senator Joe Lieberman of Connecticut. If you are a Republican in the US Senate and back off from anti-abortion and anti-stem cell research, then  your name for all practical purposes is &quot;US Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania&quot;.  In other words, no redemption outside the true church.

Here in south central Wisconsin, the Washington ideological split is mirrored in local politics. I strongly support &quot;Smart Growth&quot; legislation and its mandated comprehended planning, along with creating a Dane County regional transportation authority (RTA) which would be empowered to raise a .005 percent sales tax level to pay for -- among other transportation needs -- a start-up commuter rail system. I also generally support womens&#039; abortion rights and insistence that evolution should be discussed as a scientific assertion and that the question of existence of deities be confined to religious affairs. For all that, I was booted off the executive committee of the Republican Party of Dane County (RPDC), which I had served for some ten years.  

But when the mainly democrat liberals who inhabit my side of that argument learn that I am the election volunteer coordinator (EVC) of Wisconsin&#039;s 2nd congressional district for the NRA&#039;s Institute of Legislative Affairs, and that I support national organizations such as Grossroots.org, that wants to expel all illegal aliens, and Act for America, which has increasingly strong stances about whom they would allow in this country even as legal immigrants, then they treat me as if I belonged to both the Aryan Nation and an Idaho militia. And when they learn that I am a steadfast zionist of the &quot;screw peace, let&#039;s keep the land and chase them across the Jordan River&quot; variety, then they get positively aploplectic.

And both sides of the political argument, when I tell them about my affiilation membership in the Madison Peak Oil Group, treat me as though I were a deranged and annoying lunatic.

So, senators Lieberman and Specter, I have a pretty good idea what kinds of heat you have faced and will continue to battle against.

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The two major parties are both under control of ideologues respectively on the right and on the left.  If you are a Democrat in the US Senate and utter so much as a peep against Obama, or had done the same in support of Bush&#8217;s war aims in Iraq, you find yourself facing a primary challenge at re-election time, per Senator Joe Lieberman of Connecticut. If you are a Republican in the US Senate and back off from anti-abortion and anti-stem cell research, then  your name for all practical purposes is &#8220;US Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania&#8221;.  In other words, no redemption outside the true church.</p>
<p>Here in south central Wisconsin, the Washington ideological split is mirrored in local politics. I strongly support &#8220;Smart Growth&#8221; legislation and its mandated comprehended planning, along with creating a Dane County regional transportation authority (RTA) which would be empowered to raise a .005 percent sales tax level to pay for &#8212; among other transportation needs &#8212; a start-up commuter rail system. I also generally support womens&#8217; abortion rights and insistence that evolution should be discussed as a scientific assertion and that the question of existence of deities be confined to religious affairs. For all that, I was booted off the executive committee of the Republican Party of Dane County (RPDC), which I had served for some ten years.  </p>
<p>But when the mainly democrat liberals who inhabit my side of that argument learn that I am the election volunteer coordinator (EVC) of Wisconsin&#8217;s 2nd congressional district for the NRA&#8217;s Institute of Legislative Affairs, and that I support national organizations such as Grossroots.org, that wants to expel all illegal aliens, and Act for America, which has increasingly strong stances about whom they would allow in this country even as legal immigrants, then they treat me as if I belonged to both the Aryan Nation and an Idaho militia. And when they learn that I am a steadfast zionist of the &#8220;screw peace, let&#8217;s keep the land and chase them across the Jordan River&#8221; variety, then they get positively aploplectic.</p>
<p>And both sides of the political argument, when I tell them about my affiilation membership in the Madison Peak Oil Group, treat me as though I were a deranged and annoying lunatic.</p>
<p>So, senators Lieberman and Specter, I have a pretty good idea what kinds of heat you have faced and will continue to battle against.</p>
<p>Arnold Harris<br />
Mount Horeb WI</p>
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		<title>By: jrogge</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/04/28/arlen-specter-d-pa/#comment-172498</link>
		<dc:creator>jrogge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Specter&#039;s a douche. This gives the Republicans a chance to shed one of their current turds and get a guy who is fresh and has new ideas for restructuring the party. It&#039;s a short term win for the Dems but a long term win for the Repubs. Also, Franken will probably never be seated. They have a whole damn new election before they seat him. So I doubt the Dems will really have their filibuster proof majority. Even if they do, the 2010 election&#039;s coming up soon and the Dems have a chance to lose some seats considering the scandals arising in the Democratic party as of late with talk of approving torture and whoring themselves out to banks... etc.

Even if they get 60 seats they will probably not have them for long. If they manage to seat Franklin and still hold 60 seats after 2010 the Republican party will really need to reconsider their current coalition and probably dismantle it for a new one and restructure from the ground up. Because, at that point it will be difficult to believe many people feel their wishes are truly being represented by the party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Specter&#8217;s a douche. This gives the Republicans a chance to shed one of their current turds and get a guy who is fresh and has new ideas for restructuring the party. It&#8217;s a short term win for the Dems but a long term win for the Repubs. Also, Franken will probably never be seated. They have a whole damn new election before they seat him. So I doubt the Dems will really have their filibuster proof majority. Even if they do, the 2010 election&#8217;s coming up soon and the Dems have a chance to lose some seats considering the scandals arising in the Democratic party as of late with talk of approving torture and whoring themselves out to banks&#8230; etc.</p>
<p>Even if they get 60 seats they will probably not have them for long. If they manage to seat Franklin and still hold 60 seats after 2010 the Republican party will really need to reconsider their current coalition and probably dismantle it for a new one and restructure from the ground up. Because, at that point it will be difficult to believe many people feel their wishes are truly being represented by the party.</p>
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		<title>By: zach</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/04/28/arlen-specter-d-pa/#comment-172496</link>
		<dc:creator>zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean,

not to mention that there&#039;s got to be some kind of psychological change that will happen to Specter as all of the rightward pundits and bloggers decry Specter and call him nasty names, while the leftward pundits and bloggers will laud his intellectual honesty in the face of a party obsessed with ideological purity.  It could be like Charles Johnson going from mild criticisms to full-out attacks due to the vehemence of the blowback.

And, yes, I fully acknowledge that were Democrat and Republican reversed things would play out exactly identically.  Just look at what happened to Joe Lieberman and he didn&#039;t even go full-out and switch parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean,</p>
<p>not to mention that there&#8217;s got to be some kind of psychological change that will happen to Specter as all of the rightward pundits and bloggers decry Specter and call him nasty names, while the leftward pundits and bloggers will laud his intellectual honesty in the face of a party obsessed with ideological purity.  It could be like Charles Johnson going from mild criticisms to full-out attacks due to the vehemence of the blowback.</p>
<p>And, yes, I fully acknowledge that were Democrat and Republican reversed things would play out exactly identically.  Just look at what happened to Joe Lieberman and he didn&#8217;t even go full-out and switch parties.</p>
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