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		<title>By: CosmicConservative</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/06/15/a-nation-of-twitterers/#comment-173579</link>
		<dc:creator>CosmicConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Allah, McK, all you have to do is ask them. They&#039;ll tell you. And they might even let you live afterwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Allah, McK, all you have to do is ask them. They&#8217;ll tell you. And they might even let you live afterwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Mc Kiernan</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/06/15/a-nation-of-twitterers/#comment-173578</link>
		<dc:creator>Mc Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I forget.

From whence did any Ayatollah or any  mullah  get  political power over the entirety of  the Irani people  ?

Please explain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I forget.</p>
<p>From whence did any Ayatollah or any  mullah  get  political power over the entirety of  the Irani people  ?</p>
<p>Please explain.</p>
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		<title>By: Mc Kiernan</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/06/15/a-nation-of-twitterers/#comment-173577</link>
		<dc:creator>Mc Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Obama is getting his teleprompters up to speed , this seems to be one of his better current international policies. 

http://atangledweb.squarespace.com/httpatangledwebsquarespace/a-contrast-in-reality.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Obama is getting his teleprompters up to speed , this seems to be one of his better current international policies. </p>
<p><a href="http://atangledweb.squarespace.com/httpatangledwebsquarespace/a-contrast-in-reality.html" rel="nofollow">http://atangledweb.squarespace.com/httpatangledwebsquarespace/a-contrast-in-reality.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: CosmicConservative</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/06/15/a-nation-of-twitterers/#comment-173576</link>
		<dc:creator>CosmicConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McK:

Obama&#039;s silence, in my opinion, is best explained by his desire to exploit every situation to his advantage. Right now there is nothing to exploit, so he&#039;ll wait until there is something he can.

There is no need to postulate any more sinister or complex reason behind Obama&#039;s silence. This is standard operating procedure for the man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McK:</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s silence, in my opinion, is best explained by his desire to exploit every situation to his advantage. Right now there is nothing to exploit, so he&#8217;ll wait until there is something he can.</p>
<p>There is no need to postulate any more sinister or complex reason behind Obama&#8217;s silence. This is standard operating procedure for the man.</p>
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		<title>By: Mc Kiernan</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/06/15/a-nation-of-twitterers/#comment-173575</link>
		<dc:creator>Mc Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silence by Obama reflects neither policy, nor restraint.

It&#039;s just silence, even one that may portend lack of policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silence by Obama reflects neither policy, nor restraint.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just silence, even one that may portend lack of policy.</p>
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		<title>By: CosmicConservative</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/06/15/a-nation-of-twitterers/#comment-173574</link>
		<dc:creator>CosmicConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely stated Joe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely stated Joe.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Barnes</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/06/15/a-nation-of-twitterers/#comment-173573</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My buddy Joe Lieberman hits the high note on this far better than anyone:

WASHINGTON, DC — Senator Joseph I. Lieberman (ID-CT) today issued the following statement: 

“Over the last six months, we have witnessed free and fair elections in Iraq and Lebanon, in which millions of people peacefully went to the polls, and in both cases, the Iranian-backed forces of extremism were decisively rejected at the ballot box. 

“Unfortunately, on Friday, the Iranian people were denied this right, enjoyed by Iraqis and Lebanese and so many other peoples throughout the world, to determine the future of their country for themselves. Instead, through intimidation, violence, manipulation, and outright fraud, the Iranian regime has once again made a mockery of democracy, and confirmed its repressive and dictatorial character. 

“We as Americans have a responsibility to stand in solidarity with people when they are denied their rights by repressive regimes. When elections are stolen, our government should protest. When peaceful demonstrators are beaten and silenced, we have a duty to raise our voices on their behalf. We must tell the Iranian people that we are on their side. 

“For this reason, I would hope that President Obama and members of both parties in Congress will speak out, loudly and clearly, about what is happening in Iran right now, and unambiguously express their solidarity with the brave Iranians who went to the polls in the hope of change and who are now looking to the outside world for strength and support.”

--HB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My buddy Joe Lieberman hits the high note on this far better than anyone:</p>
<p>WASHINGTON, DC — Senator Joseph I. Lieberman (ID-CT) today issued the following statement: </p>
<p>“Over the last six months, we have witnessed free and fair elections in Iraq and Lebanon, in which millions of people peacefully went to the polls, and in both cases, the Iranian-backed forces of extremism were decisively rejected at the ballot box. </p>
<p>“Unfortunately, on Friday, the Iranian people were denied this right, enjoyed by Iraqis and Lebanese and so many other peoples throughout the world, to determine the future of their country for themselves. Instead, through intimidation, violence, manipulation, and outright fraud, the Iranian regime has once again made a mockery of democracy, and confirmed its repressive and dictatorial character. </p>
<p>“We as Americans have a responsibility to stand in solidarity with people when they are denied their rights by repressive regimes. When elections are stolen, our government should protest. When peaceful demonstrators are beaten and silenced, we have a duty to raise our voices on their behalf. We must tell the Iranian people that we are on their side. </p>
<p>“For this reason, I would hope that President Obama and members of both parties in Congress will speak out, loudly and clearly, about what is happening in Iran right now, and unambiguously express their solidarity with the brave Iranians who went to the polls in the hope of change and who are now looking to the outside world for strength and support.”</p>
<p>&#8211;HB</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Barnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi CC,

I&#039;m a bit less of an Obama critic than are you (and less of an Obama-butt kisser than  Aziz).

But much of what you say is right. 

Sometimes it is difficult to tell the good guys from the bad guys.

But this is NOT one of those times. The people in Iran being clubbed and beaten because they are in the midst of an electoral farce are the good guys. The Mullahs in power, those are the bad guys. 

The simple question President Obama should be asking is, What can I say or do to help the good guys?

Unfortunately, the question he is asking is:

 &quot;What can I say or do that doesn&#039;t provoke Iran, because I need them somewhat on board to distinguish my foreign policy from that of my predecessor&#039;s, which was too provocative about their nuclear threat and too accommodating to Israel, who I view as the obstacle to peace in the middle east?&quot;

Because the question is so convoluted, he remains silent --  but I salute his restraint:)

--HB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi CC,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a bit less of an Obama critic than are you (and less of an Obama-butt kisser than  Aziz).</p>
<p>But much of what you say is right. </p>
<p>Sometimes it is difficult to tell the good guys from the bad guys.</p>
<p>But this is NOT one of those times. The people in Iran being clubbed and beaten because they are in the midst of an electoral farce are the good guys. The Mullahs in power, those are the bad guys. </p>
<p>The simple question President Obama should be asking is, What can I say or do to help the good guys?</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the question he is asking is:</p>
<p> &#8220;What can I say or do that doesn&#8217;t provoke Iran, because I need them somewhat on board to distinguish my foreign policy from that of my predecessor&#8217;s, which was too provocative about their nuclear threat and too accommodating to Israel, who I view as the obstacle to peace in the middle east?&#8221;</p>
<p>Because the question is so convoluted, he remains silent &#8212;  but I salute his restraint:)</p>
<p>&#8211;HB</p>
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		<title>By: CosmicConservative</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/06/15/a-nation-of-twitterers/#comment-173571</link>
		<dc:creator>CosmicConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is very much a &quot;deer in headlights&quot; here. He can&#039;t make the speech you are looking for, extolling the virtues of freedom and the importance of the Iranian people taking control of their own lives, without sounding exactly like GW Bush, who did those things repeatedly in similar circumstances. Obama is afraid that if he does so, his attempts to appease and apologize to the Khameneis of the world will be wasted. Of course the irony there is that such efforts are wasted by definition, as has been exposed by this turmoil in Iran in the first place. But you can&#039;t expect Obama to see something his ideology has told him can&#039;t exist. So we get an Obama administration naively and inappropriately praising the &quot;robustness&quot; of the process as people are shot in the streets.

Again, imagine if someone other than Obama had trotted out such pathetic platitudes in such a situation.

I wonder how long its gonna take this country and this world to wake up to reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is very much a &#8220;deer in headlights&#8221; here. He can&#8217;t make the speech you are looking for, extolling the virtues of freedom and the importance of the Iranian people taking control of their own lives, without sounding exactly like GW Bush, who did those things repeatedly in similar circumstances. Obama is afraid that if he does so, his attempts to appease and apologize to the Khameneis of the world will be wasted. Of course the irony there is that such efforts are wasted by definition, as has been exposed by this turmoil in Iran in the first place. But you can&#8217;t expect Obama to see something his ideology has told him can&#8217;t exist. So we get an Obama administration naively and inappropriately praising the &#8220;robustness&#8221; of the process as people are shot in the streets.</p>
<p>Again, imagine if someone other than Obama had trotted out such pathetic platitudes in such a situation.</p>
<p>I wonder how long its gonna take this country and this world to wake up to reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Barnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do like the subtance of your post, Aziz.  If I may jest a bit, though, on one trivial point:

&lt;i&gt;I am thankful for is the restraint shown by the Obama Administration. &lt;/i&gt;

Methinks a deer caught in the headlights  demonstrates a similar type of restraint:)

Look, this is a corrupted election -- specifically, corrupted by the Mullahs in power. God Bless the Iranian people for resisting.

True, America, with good intentions, often bungles things up in foreign misadventures.  Ultimately, Iran can only be reformed from within, by citizens who have a stake in the reformation. So, true, Obama&#039;s inaction is probably the best approach, only because it is not clear what the proper action by the US should be, or, if any U.S. action should be taken at all.

As for words, the clock is ticking. Silence doesn&#039;t help the people seeking freedom.  At a minimum, the President should make a speech acknowledging the brave citizens who seek to expose this farce, and who seek to live in freedom.

--HB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do like the subtance of your post, Aziz.  If I may jest a bit, though, on one trivial point:</p>
<p><i>I am thankful for is the restraint shown by the Obama Administration. </i></p>
<p>Methinks a deer caught in the headlights  demonstrates a similar type of restraint:)</p>
<p>Look, this is a corrupted election &#8212; specifically, corrupted by the Mullahs in power. God Bless the Iranian people for resisting.</p>
<p>True, America, with good intentions, often bungles things up in foreign misadventures.  Ultimately, Iran can only be reformed from within, by citizens who have a stake in the reformation. So, true, Obama&#8217;s inaction is probably the best approach, only because it is not clear what the proper action by the US should be, or, if any U.S. action should be taken at all.</p>
<p>As for words, the clock is ticking. Silence doesn&#8217;t help the people seeking freedom.  At a minimum, the President should make a speech acknowledging the brave citizens who seek to expose this farce, and who seek to live in freedom.</p>
<p>&#8211;HB</p>
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