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		<title>By: Red Spilling Over Green</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/06/17/why-we-must-stand-with-the-iranian-people/#comment-173624</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Spilling Over Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] many see hope for revolutionary change, I&#8217;m skeptical any internal movement will displace the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Classical Values</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/06/17/why-we-must-stand-with-the-iranian-people/#comment-173618</link>
		<dc:creator>Classical Values</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Red Spilling Over Green...&lt;/strong&gt;

Rumor has it that today the IRGC will be called into to crush the Iranian protests sooner rather than later. While many see hope for revolutionary change, I&#039;m skeptical any internal movement will displace the mullahs. It&#039;s easy to forget......</description>
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<p>Rumor has it that today the IRGC will be called into to crush the Iranian protests sooner rather than later. While many see hope for revolutionary change, I&#8217;m skeptical any internal movement will displace the mullahs. It&#8217;s easy to forget&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree that the wrong sort of statement can do more harm than good in a case like this; however, I would also agree that a full-throated statement that the people of Iran deserve freedom and a voice in their own government without fear would be helpful here. And desirable on other levels.

It is not possible to &quot;listen to Iran&quot; by &quot;listening&quot; to the despicable mullahs who stand atop the Iranian people&#039;s faces in iron boots. The Obama administration could do more to recognize this, and should.

I have no doubt that they&#039;re doing things behind the scenes that they don&#039;t want to make public. I have little confidence that it&#039;s the right things, but I hope to be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree that the wrong sort of statement can do more harm than good in a case like this; however, I would also agree that a full-throated statement that the people of Iran deserve freedom and a voice in their own government without fear would be helpful here. And desirable on other levels.</p>
<p>It is not possible to &#8220;listen to Iran&#8221; by &#8220;listening&#8221; to the despicable mullahs who stand atop the Iranian people&#8217;s faces in iron boots. The Obama administration could do more to recognize this, and should.</p>
<p>I have no doubt that they&#8217;re doing things behind the scenes that they don&#8217;t want to make public. I have little confidence that it&#8217;s the right things, but I hope to be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Pesci</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Pesci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Kerry: I’m not so sure how seriously we should take someone who, during the Vietnam War, described his actions and the actions of other soldiers as comparable to those of Genghis Khan. He’s just smoothing out the bumps in his past, and everything Kerry says about the military may safely be taken as a sort of self congratulations. Right now, I’m more worried about our actions than those of the Iranians. None of us know what will happen next there. But if the reaction is similar to what occurred in Hungary in the 50s, one hopes our reaction will be similar also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Kerry: I’m not so sure how seriously we should take someone who, during the Vietnam War, described his actions and the actions of other soldiers as comparable to those of Genghis Khan. He’s just smoothing out the bumps in his past, and everything Kerry says about the military may safely be taken as a sort of self congratulations. Right now, I’m more worried about our actions than those of the Iranians. None of us know what will happen next there. But if the reaction is similar to what occurred in Hungary in the 50s, one hopes our reaction will be similar also.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Barnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s famous straddler J0hn Kerry supporting the straddle of Obama on the issue.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/opinion/18kerry.html?_r=1&amp;ref=opinion

Compare this to Joe Lieberman&#039;s statement above.

Notice the tendency to criticize the critics, rather than support the Iranians, as if the support is a given.

We are all mindful that Iran has a nuclear power potential that we have to deal with. We are all mindful that sometimes (often?) America&#039;s well-intended  interventions make things worse.   

My objection to Obama&#039;s reaction is simply that it is mealy-mouthed. He should make a clear statement that our country&#039;s sympathy lies with the freedom seeking people of Iran. Period. End of statement.

--HB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s famous straddler J0hn Kerry supporting the straddle of Obama on the issue.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/opinion/18kerry.html?_r=1&#038;ref=opinion" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/opinion/18kerry.html?_r=1&#038;ref=opinion</a></p>
<p>Compare this to Joe Lieberman&#8217;s statement above.</p>
<p>Notice the tendency to criticize the critics, rather than support the Iranians, as if the support is a given.</p>
<p>We are all mindful that Iran has a nuclear power potential that we have to deal with. We are all mindful that sometimes (often?) America&#8217;s well-intended  interventions make things worse.   </p>
<p>My objection to Obama&#8217;s reaction is simply that it is mealy-mouthed. He should make a clear statement that our country&#8217;s sympathy lies with the freedom seeking people of Iran. Period. End of statement.</p>
<p>&#8211;HB</p>
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		<title>By: Don Pesci</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Pesci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, Hank has it right. The sum and substance of the Obama message is: It’s an Iranian problem; we care for what used to be called here in the U.S. as natural rights but, whatever happens, we are still willing to negotiate with the victors.

The presidential office is simply one corner of the political barracks.  Where are the intellectuals, the academics, the editorial page editors, and the whole liberty loving mob suckled on the enlightenment? What flower pots are they hiding behind now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, Hank has it right. The sum and substance of the Obama message is: It’s an Iranian problem; we care for what used to be called here in the U.S. as natural rights but, whatever happens, we are still willing to negotiate with the victors.</p>
<p>The presidential office is simply one corner of the political barracks.  Where are the intellectuals, the academics, the editorial page editors, and the whole liberty loving mob suckled on the enlightenment? What flower pots are they hiding behind now?</p>
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		<title>By: Mc Kiernan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mc Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hank Barnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just carefully re-read Obama&#039;s statements from his press conference.  Sadly, and cowardly, he is trying to straddle.  He is using ambiguity, as the Great George Orwell once told us, as a political weapon . If the Iranian people prevail, he has just enough to tidbits to plausibly claim,&quot;Hey, I was always on your side!&quot;

And if the Mullahs prevail, he has just enough sober language to plausibly claim, &quot;Hey, I didn&#039;t antagonize you, like Bush and the right would have. Now, let&#039;s continue our talks.&quot;

Typical weasel maneuver.

--HB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just carefully re-read Obama&#8217;s statements from his press conference.  Sadly, and cowardly, he is trying to straddle.  He is using ambiguity, as the Great George Orwell once told us, as a political weapon . If the Iranian people prevail, he has just enough to tidbits to plausibly claim,&#8221;Hey, I was always on your side!&#8221;</p>
<p>And if the Mullahs prevail, he has just enough sober language to plausibly claim, &#8220;Hey, I didn&#8217;t antagonize you, like Bush and the right would have. Now, let&#8217;s continue our talks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Typical weasel maneuver.</p>
<p>&#8211;HB</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Barnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why we must stand with the Iranian people &lt;/i&gt;

Great title, great sentiment. The shifting definition of &quot;stand&quot; is where our great, but flawed  country sometimes goes astray. 

In Hungary (1956), we encouraged the uprising, but refused to help when the @%@ started to hit the fan. About 35,000 Hungarians were killed by the Soviet Bear.

In Cuba (1961), we orchestrated an uprising, but backed out during crunch time (JFK cancelled air strikes).  Many people thought we picked the wrong side, and argued that our &quot;stand&quot; made matters worse.

In Iraq (2003), we invaded a country to help the people there who suffered from far more oppression than the Iranians, today.  Many people, including our President,  view this is a mistaken effort. We should not have &quot;stood&quot; with either Saddam or the people.  We should have done nothing, but continue sanctions that hurt the people, but gave political cover to folks who wanted it.

In Iran (2007), my gut sense is this. 

As for DOING things, the Iranians are gonna have to do the heavy lifting themselves to break free from the oppressive Mullahs. I&#039;m not sure what we (USA) should or could do. Perhaps, it would be good to ask  the principal actors in Iran what would help.

As for SAYING things, Obama&#039;s silence and mealy-mouth platitudes are extremely weak. True, he doesn&#039;t wanna saber-rattle the Mullahs, but still, he should --  if he had courage -- make a statement in support of the Iranian people, who seek freedom and honest elections.  Right or left, isn&#039;t that what our country is all about?

--HB</description>
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<p>Great title, great sentiment. The shifting definition of &#8220;stand&#8221; is where our great, but flawed  country sometimes goes astray. </p>
<p>In Hungary (1956), we encouraged the uprising, but refused to help when the @%@ started to hit the fan. About 35,000 Hungarians were killed by the Soviet Bear.</p>
<p>In Cuba (1961), we orchestrated an uprising, but backed out during crunch time (JFK cancelled air strikes).  Many people thought we picked the wrong side, and argued that our &#8220;stand&#8221; made matters worse.</p>
<p>In Iraq (2003), we invaded a country to help the people there who suffered from far more oppression than the Iranians, today.  Many people, including our President,  view this is a mistaken effort. We should not have &#8220;stood&#8221; with either Saddam or the people.  We should have done nothing, but continue sanctions that hurt the people, but gave political cover to folks who wanted it.</p>
<p>In Iran (2007), my gut sense is this. </p>
<p>As for DOING things, the Iranians are gonna have to do the heavy lifting themselves to break free from the oppressive Mullahs. I&#8217;m not sure what we (USA) should or could do. Perhaps, it would be good to ask  the principal actors in Iran what would help.</p>
<p>As for SAYING things, Obama&#8217;s silence and mealy-mouth platitudes are extremely weak. True, he doesn&#8217;t wanna saber-rattle the Mullahs, but still, he should &#8212;  if he had courage &#8212; make a statement in support of the Iranian people, who seek freedom and honest elections.  Right or left, isn&#8217;t that what our country is all about?</p>
<p>&#8211;HB</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Rall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Rall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that some restraint is necessary and we should stop short of pushing the regime into a corner, but I want to seem Obama doing more than he&#039;s doing. He&#039;s not doing nothing, and I&#039;m very glad of that, but I&#039;m worried that he&#039;s being too restrained. I don&#039;t want the regime to think it has the slightest chance of getting way with crushing the reformists underfoot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that some restraint is necessary and we should stop short of pushing the regime into a corner, but I want to seem Obama doing more than he&#8217;s doing. He&#8217;s not doing nothing, and I&#8217;m very glad of that, but I&#8217;m worried that he&#8217;s being too restrained. I don&#8217;t want the regime to think it has the slightest chance of getting way with crushing the reformists underfoot.</p>
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