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		<title>By: Mc Kiernan</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/07/24/beware-governments-bearing-gifts/#comment-174777</link>
		<dc:creator>Mc Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The  freedoms you&#039;d lose in health care reform

1. Freedom to choose what&#039;s in your plan

2. Freedom to be rewarded for healthy living, or pay your real costs

3. Freedom to choose high-deductible coverage

4. Freedom to keep your existing plan

5. Freedom to choose your doctors

http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/24/news/economy/health_care_reform_obama.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2009072410</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The  freedoms you&#8217;d lose in health care reform</p>
<p>1. Freedom to choose what&#8217;s in your plan</p>
<p>2. Freedom to be rewarded for healthy living, or pay your real costs</p>
<p>3. Freedom to choose high-deductible coverage</p>
<p>4. Freedom to keep your existing plan</p>
<p>5. Freedom to choose your doctors</p>
<p><a href="http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/24/news/economy/health_care_reform_obama.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2009072410" rel="nofollow">http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/24/news/economy/health_care_reform_obama.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2009072410</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bones_708</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/07/24/beware-governments-bearing-gifts/#comment-174774</link>
		<dc:creator>Bones_708</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 06:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about state costs for these programs? SCIP, CHIP, medicare, medicaid all have state funds used. Increasing coverage will increase the cost to the states. So not only will we have increased taxes on the national level but also on the state level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about state costs for these programs? SCIP, CHIP, medicare, medicaid all have state funds used. Increasing coverage will increase the cost to the states. So not only will we have increased taxes on the national level but also on the state level.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Barnes</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/07/24/beware-governments-bearing-gifts/#comment-174765</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m juss idealistic, old man.

--HB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m juss idealistic, old man.</p>
<p>&#8211;HB</p>
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		<title>By: Mc Kiernan</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/07/24/beware-governments-bearing-gifts/#comment-174759</link>
		<dc:creator>Mc Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 01:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama should sponsor a formal prime-time debate: Pick the 3 best proponents of his plan; while the opponents pick their 3 best — hire Jim Lehrer as a moderator, and have at it.

Hank, you cannot possibly be that naive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama should sponsor a formal prime-time debate: Pick the 3 best proponents of his plan; while the opponents pick their 3 best — hire Jim Lehrer as a moderator, and have at it.</p>
<p>Hank, you cannot possibly be that naive.</p>
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		<title>By: CosmicConservative</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/07/24/beware-governments-bearing-gifts/#comment-174757</link>
		<dc:creator>CosmicConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hank:

When the President makes a bill the central issue of his administration, I&#039;m going to comment on the President when discussing the bill. This bill is all about Obama, and I&#039;m not only saying that because he said it WASN&#039;T all about him. This is nothing but him.

If Obama was remotely interested in the sort of compromise approach you seem to think is reasonable, he wouldn&#039;t have approached this bill this way. Ramming this thing down the throats of the American people is key to Obama achieving his ideological goals. Compromising with Republicans is not remotely on his agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hank:</p>
<p>When the President makes a bill the central issue of his administration, I&#8217;m going to comment on the President when discussing the bill. This bill is all about Obama, and I&#8217;m not only saying that because he said it WASN&#8217;T all about him. This is nothing but him.</p>
<p>If Obama was remotely interested in the sort of compromise approach you seem to think is reasonable, he wouldn&#8217;t have approached this bill this way. Ramming this thing down the throats of the American people is key to Obama achieving his ideological goals. Compromising with Republicans is not remotely on his agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Barnes</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/07/24/beware-governments-bearing-gifts/#comment-174756</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may be a minority of one on this issue, but I don&#039;t think every important policy debate should migrate towards a critique or defense of the President.

That said -- this health bill is looking like a big, bloated turkey.

Obama should sponsor a formal prime-time debate: Pick the 3 best proponents of his plan; while the opponents pick their 3 best -- hire Jim Lehrer as a moderator, and have at it.

--HB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be a minority of one on this issue, but I don&#8217;t think every important policy debate should migrate towards a critique or defense of the President.</p>
<p>That said &#8212; this health bill is looking like a big, bloated turkey.</p>
<p>Obama should sponsor a formal prime-time debate: Pick the 3 best proponents of his plan; while the opponents pick their 3 best &#8212; hire Jim Lehrer as a moderator, and have at it.</p>
<p>&#8211;HB</p>
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		<title>By: PunditKix</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/07/24/beware-governments-bearing-gifts/#comment-174755</link>
		<dc:creator>PunditKix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CosmicConservative</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/07/24/beware-governments-bearing-gifts/#comment-174751</link>
		<dc:creator>CosmicConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now you see why Obama and his cohorts are pushing for such a speedy vote. Just like the Cap and Trade tax, this bill gets uglier the more you look at it.

Let&#039;s see how many of Obama&#039;s &quot;promises&quot; this current bill breaks:

1. Transparency. How long will we get to look at this bill on the White House website before it passes? Zero days?
2. No tax increase on anyone making less than $250,000 a year.
3. Won&#039;t make you change your insurance. (Um, what if I DON&#039;T HAVE insurance?)
4. Examining bills with a line-by-line budget review. (Obama has admitted he is not familiar with the actual bill itself)

I&#039;m sure there&#039;s tons more. No doubt he&#039;ll put in a few signing statements on this as well.

What is really funny is that you would think Obama would have learned a lesson by letting Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid write the &quot;Stimulus&quot; bill. But nope, here we are going down that same path again.

By the way, Nancy Pelosi is now saying that she&#039;ll call for a vote on this bill over the objections of members of her OWN PARTY.

That&#039;s leadership you can respect and unity you can appreciate.

Remember how Obama was supposed to restore bipartisanship to our government? LOL, he&#039;s redefined &quot;triangulation&quot; by creating THREE groups that hate each other now.

Every day watching this administration just gets more fun at the same time that it gets more frightening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now you see why Obama and his cohorts are pushing for such a speedy vote. Just like the Cap and Trade tax, this bill gets uglier the more you look at it.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see how many of Obama&#8217;s &#8220;promises&#8221; this current bill breaks:</p>
<p>1. Transparency. How long will we get to look at this bill on the White House website before it passes? Zero days?<br />
2. No tax increase on anyone making less than $250,000 a year.<br />
3. Won&#8217;t make you change your insurance. (Um, what if I DON&#8217;T HAVE insurance?)<br />
4. Examining bills with a line-by-line budget review. (Obama has admitted he is not familiar with the actual bill itself)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s tons more. No doubt he&#8217;ll put in a few signing statements on this as well.</p>
<p>What is really funny is that you would think Obama would have learned a lesson by letting Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid write the &#8220;Stimulus&#8221; bill. But nope, here we are going down that same path again.</p>
<p>By the way, Nancy Pelosi is now saying that she&#8217;ll call for a vote on this bill over the objections of members of her OWN PARTY.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s leadership you can respect and unity you can appreciate.</p>
<p>Remember how Obama was supposed to restore bipartisanship to our government? LOL, he&#8217;s redefined &#8220;triangulation&#8221; by creating THREE groups that hate each other now.</p>
<p>Every day watching this administration just gets more fun at the same time that it gets more frightening.</p>
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