In the previous post entitled “Conservatism Gone Wild” I talked about a number of questions Glenn Beck was asking the White House and Congress (some people seemed too thick to understand which question was for whom so it needs to be underlined for the thinking impaired) and one of the questions was aimed at Van Jones’ communist affiliations.
Glenn Beck reported, and Michelle Malkin wrote, yesterday about a new fact about Van Jones:
ABC News reported a statement issued by Jones saying:
In a statement issued Thursday evening Jones said of “the petition that was circulated today, I do not agree with this statement and it certainly does not reflect my views now or ever.”
Malkin quotes HotAir’s Allahpundit’s response:
“Note well: He doesn’t deny that he signed it. He denies that he agrees with it. Which means, I guess, that he’s asking us to create a new standard for public officials by which documents that bear their signature should no longer be used against them.”
He goes on to quote 9/11Truth.org spokesperson Mike Berger that no one’s name was put on the list without them knowing about it.
Glenn Beck links Gateway Pundit today:
Yesterday, news broke out that Barack Obama’s communist Green Czar was a 9-11 Truther. The administration much later in the day released a statement saying Van Jones was “not now or ever” involved in the 9-11 Truther movement.
Jones said the petition he signed in 2004 did not reflect his views and that he did not carefully review the language in the petition before agreeing to add his name.
Not true.
This article at Rense.com from 2002 links Van Jones to the 9-11 Truther movement at its infancy…
As for the charge “Van Jones isn’t a communist – he’s an eco-capatialist!” Yesterday Beck produced video that shows how shallow this little lie is:
His real reason for being an “eco-capatialist” beings with a radio interview about 8 minutes in (though you should watch all of it). Eco-capitalism is, in his words, a minimalist step away from “suicidal” gray capatialism. He compares this minimalist step to Rosa Parks and the civil rights leaders not asking for slave reparations right away (the “maximum” goal) but with bus intergratios. School integration. Mixed Marriages.
In Van Jones’ own words, eco-capitalism is the minimal step toward the maximum goal of replacing the entire current economic system.
Van Jones: Communist truther.
As Beck asks: How did this man get so close to the President? There are only two answers.
1. The FBI failed miserably during its vetting process.
Or
2. The President knew how radical Van Jones really was.
Answer #1 puts the President in danger. Answer #2 puts America in danger.
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One of my biggest concerns with Obama is that he would fill his advisory and senior leadership posts with moonbats. This guy is a barking moonbat, no matter how he tries to finesse and lie about it now. There have been others who are borderline barking moonbats. So I pretty much consider my concerns about Obama’s ideological extremism are pretty well vindicated.
And this is in part why his approval numbers keep dropping. People are finally noticing what I’ve been seeing for over a year.
I’m curious how Roger and Dean are going to respond to this. They both seemed (Dean in particular) to take glee in tearing this whole mess down. Neither of the spending an iota of time actually looking into it.
There’s no wiggle room now. There’s no “this is business as usual” now.
Obama selected a communist truther to be his green jobs czar (a little ironic sounding now).
And as Beck points out – Van Jones isn’t the only batty staff pick Obama has made.
But yeah, CC, you and I both are vindicated. Now people like Dean, Roger, and Aziz need to put up or shut up.
Obama isn’t business as usual. He meant it when he said he’d fundamentally transform this country. It wasn’t rhetoric to rally the base. It was a hint of things to come.
Kevin: You’re kidding right? Dean and Roger will simply snark and say “Nothing to see here, more conservative wing-nut reactionary whining. When are you guys gonna grow up and quit crying over a lost election?”
I hope, CC. I really do. Because this is too important. We’re talking about a fundamental shift away from our founding principles. I want everyone that can be woken up to wake up.
So, I hope Dean, Roger, and Aziz wake up. I really, really do.
When people use their considerable intellect to deliberately avoid recognizing reality, it is very, very hard to get them to see it. And the longer and harder they work at seeing what they want, the harder it is to get them to see what is real.
This is a universally applicable thing, not just in this case. And all of us are subject to it. But it explains why it is so hard for people to admit they are wrong. They have too much of their self-worth invested in it.
Maybe they’ll see it, but I doubt it. It’s easier to stay the course.
Kevin D. says:
I’m curious how Roger and Dean are going to respond to this.. . .There’s no wiggle room now. . . . Now people like Dean, Roger, and Aziz need to put up or shut up.
First, there is NOTHING in that video that indicates Jones is a Communist. NOTHING. Somehow you missed the video I linked to showing him promoting wealth creation, ownership and becoming an Entrepreneur. So, I stand by my critique of you and Beck on this point.
On the new revelations, 911 Truthers are as much quacks as Beck is, and I think Jones will be, and needs to be, removed from his position.
But it has nothing to do with him being a commie.
We’re talking about a fundamental shift away from our founding principles.
I willing to discuss. What fundamental principals do you see us shifting from?
I read the statement that van Jones signed at 911truth.org.
Basically, I think the Bush administration covered up a lot of information about 911, but not because they had “allowed” 911 to happen. They covered information up because they had been breathtakingly incompetent in responding to warnings about the al Qaeda threat. There breathtaking incompetence continued right on through the post 911. Some member of the Bush administration suggested invading Iraq first before Afghanistan. Fortunately, Bush had the good sense to ignore that advice and invade Afghanistan first. Unfortunately, he then went ahead and invaded Iraq. And don’t even get me started on Katerina or the Bush economic policies.
The people who signed this statement were naive. They believed that the Bush administration could not have been so incompetent as to do nothing after receiving warnings about impending terrorists attacks on the US. I, on the other hand, believe they were that incompetent. Just look at their track record on everything else!
Well, I got it mostly right, I just forgot to mention the part about where we’ll hear how and Bush SUCKS TOO!!!!.
I really feel bad about leaving that part out.
Yeah, CC. I was really unprepared for the “and Bush sucks too” bit and I’m left reeling. I trusted you, CC. I trusted you and you let me down.
I was gonna share this cupcake with you, but not know.
Think about it.
Obama knows EXACTLY what Jones believes because, well, he basically believes the same thing. Only difference is Obama has done a better job of masking that fact.
Anybody paying attention to Obama’s entire life and career prior to 2007 knows he is an unrepentant socialist and honestly, that is a shade of pink compared to the red of communism.
The problem here is that Dean and Roger and Mike all want to poo poo this stuff because Obama would never institute communism. No, but he routinely exhibits his hostility to capitalism. He is smart enough to know that you can’t just go whole hog into socialism or communism, but you can bit by bit walk back the freedom in the marketplace that represents capitalism. And he is absolutely doing that.
And really their goal is not so much “communism” or “socialism”, it is the dismantling of what they believe is the gross unfairness of “capitalism”. The point being that the ultimate goal is irrelevant when the obvious path being laid in front of us is undoing as much capitalism as they can. The reason it is important to identify their ultimate philosophy is because people need to be shocked into recognizing just how much that agenda runs counter the founding of this nation.
So the answer to “will Obama make this nation communist” is certainly NO. There is only so much you can do with the political capital that one election can provide and despite the best efforts of the media, people are actually quite a bit smarter than the Democrats give them credit for. The people will only allow so much.
But is time to wake up and smell the communists. Van Jones is a whacko with essentially not even a smidgeon of a clue about how an economy runs or how to create jobs. But by all means, Green Jobs for the win. I mean really, that is just ludicrous on its face.
Oh, but my favorite response is from Mike –
Van Jones is a TRUTHER ? So, the truthers have legitimate questions.
Yeah, ok bub.
he did not carefully review the language in the petition before agreeing to add his name.
Van Jones: not reading the
billpetition before it was coolI’m curious how Roger and Dean are going to respond to this. They both seemed (Dean in particular) to take glee in tearing this whole mess down. Neither of the spending an iota of time actually looking into it.
This statement pisses me off. I didn’t do anything of the sort. I never made any comment on Van Jones when I was busy criticizing Glenn Beck’s more ludicrous questions and behavior.–questions that showed clear ignorance, and clear lack of basic research on Glenn Beck’s part, I might add.
Regarding Van Jones: I think I said this before, I don’t consider the fact that someone was once a Communist to be particularly damning. The world is full of such people, most of them extremely naive. Lenin called them “useful idiots.” By most accounts I’ve seen, he grew out of it–as most of them do. And, since worldwide Communism is no longer a threat, I simply don’t find it more than mildly interesting. Many former Communists now even vote Republican.
Now, as for him being a Truther: well, there goes the idiocy thing again. But what of it? Is he being put in a position where that sort of idiocy would really matter? Doesn’t look like it to me. I have friends who are Truthers and generally decent people despite their obvious insanity in this area.
I suppose that would fit Cosmic’s snotty “nothing to see here” prediction. But really, out of thousands of Administration officials, you just uncovered one who’s a Truther. What are the odds that if we kept looking, we’d find someone who believes in “The Rapture” garbage too? And why would I care either way? What is it the guy’s going to do with his Truther powers to destroy the country?
Frankly, Dean, “nothing to see here” is exactly what you just said.
Grown out of it ? You really see evidence of that ? Van Jones, whether you want to label him a “communist” or not, is extremely hostile to capitalism and has been placed in an unconfirmed, executive position with a sizeable budget to steer the economy of the US, and he got this job without any congressional oversight whatsoever. AND his position was created from whole cloth, meaning that it did not previously exist.
This is not “the way it has always been” and it is not a case of “nothing to see here” .
I must admit you are mastering the art of the strawman. People that believe in the Rapture ? How is that relevant. You wouldn’t care about them, but so what, nobody has appointed such a person and if they had, they are not the subject here.
As I stated previously – in this very thread I think – big C communism, or as you want to call it, the threat of worldwide communism – is not the issue here. The issue is does this nation want capitalism, or doesnt’ it ? Or, more accurately, as Jones himself describes, do we want to incrementally move away from capitalism in the name of Green jobs or environmentalism, or what have you, towards socialism or whatever ism you want to call it, that tears down capitalism in the name of “oppression” ?
Or do you even care ?
BTW, I also find it disturbing that your fall back in that comment is to dismiss this because these accusations only make Jones out to be a “useful idiot”. Oh, well then, I guess thats ok then. Really ?????
As I asked in the previous Beck thread, I want to see Jones DEFENDED. Take him at his word and tell me why I should NOT be concerned.
Yeah, pretty much what I expected from you, Dean. I think that you may be able to teach an ostrich a thing or two.
And you bring up the Rapture? What, is that supposed to bother me? I’ve already accepted that you hate people that disagree with you theologically. I suppose the need to dig at them at any opportunity is part of that pathology.
How you equate:
1. People that believe they’ll be whisked off the planet before the end of the world
And
2. People that want to tear down our current economic system, institute one that is responsible for killing millions, disenfranchising more, and also believe the government was behind the 9/11 attacks
Is fucking beyond me. Because these are the two groups you are saying are the EXACT SAME.
You are out of your damn mind.
I’ve already accepted that you hate people that disagree with you theologically.
That would be a baldfaced lie and I would appreciate a retraction.
Saying people believe something extremely silly and false, and giggling at them sometimes, is not the same thing as hating them. I expect better from you. People who believe the Rapture garbage are believing something very silly that has been condemned as false from all corners of Protestantism let alone the rest of Christianity–but that doesn’t mean I won’t be their friends or that I hate them.
Also, to be blunt, you just slandered the 9/11 Truthers. I can’t believe I’m defending them, but you just suggested that 9/11 Truthers are “people who want to tear down our current economic system, institute one that is responsible for killing millions, disenfranchising more, and also believe the government was behind the 9/11 attacks.”
Truthers come in all shades of political stripes, from far right to far left. Very few of them, I’ll wager, want to murder millions and disenfranchise millions more. A lot of them think the system is badly screwed up and just want to fix it, and even though they may be deluded about what’s wrong they aren’t evil.
So you’ve got a moderately important Obama administration official who’s a Truther. Well that’s embarrassing for the administration but hardly proof of much of anything that I can see.
As for ostriches: sez you, Chicken Little.
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