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		<title>By: Are Conservatives Brain-Dead or Muscular?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Are Conservatives Brain-Dead or Muscular?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: On the Road with Conservatism</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/10/03/is-conservatism-becoming-more-muscular/#comment-178577</link>
		<dc:creator>On the Road with Conservatism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Is Conservatism Becoming More Muscular? [M]e, I’m not seeing it. Sure, people who call themselves conservatives are more angry right now, but they also seem a lot less thoughtful and well-informed than the conservatism I remember from 10, 20 years ago. A movement once full of stellar intellectual thinkers is now dominated by the likes of Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck. And while this may increase the movement’s strength in some areas, it diminishes it enormously in others. When the answer to every question, before you even ask it, is either “the market” or “the Bible,” how coherent can your agenda really be once you take power? If the only thesis of your movement is that our own government is always and everywhere our enemy, what exactly is that movement going to accomplish? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Is Conservatism Becoming More Muscular? [M]e, I’m not seeing it. Sure, people who call themselves conservatives are more angry right now, but they also seem a lot less thoughtful and well-informed than the conservatism I remember from 10, 20 years ago. A movement once full of stellar intellectual thinkers is now dominated by the likes of Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck. And while this may increase the movement’s strength in some areas, it diminishes it enormously in others. When the answer to every question, before you even ask it, is either “the market” or “the Bible,” how coherent can your agenda really be once you take power? If the only thesis of your movement is that our own government is always and everywhere our enemy, what exactly is that movement going to accomplish? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Aziz Poonawalla</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/10/03/is-conservatism-becoming-more-muscular/#comment-178560</link>
		<dc:creator>Aziz Poonawalla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started writing a comment in response to this thread, but it ended up becoming so long that i just &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.beliefnet.com/cityofbrass/2009/10/nuevo-conservatism.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;made it a post&lt;/a&gt;.

but the key point I want to make is that conservatism is due for a rebirth, and it will involve the dogmatic application of blunt arguments like CutTaxes or SmallGovt. It will instead require a rethinking of solutions to the modern issues of teh day, by applying the core principles - freedom, opportunity, culture - and be willing to break with orthdoxy of the past if thats where the principles lead them. 

There are indeed conservatives who are breaking ground along these lines - for whom RINO might well be a badge of honor, since Republican is no longer Conservative by any remote standard. &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.beliefnet.com/cityofbrass/2009/10/nuevo-conservatism.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I&#039;ve got a list of a few right here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started writing a comment in response to this thread, but it ended up becoming so long that i just <a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/cityofbrass/2009/10/nuevo-conservatism.html" rel="nofollow">made it a post</a>.</p>
<p>but the key point I want to make is that conservatism is due for a rebirth, and it will involve the dogmatic application of blunt arguments like CutTaxes or SmallGovt. It will instead require a rethinking of solutions to the modern issues of teh day, by applying the core principles &#8211; freedom, opportunity, culture &#8211; and be willing to break with orthdoxy of the past if thats where the principles lead them. </p>
<p>There are indeed conservatives who are breaking ground along these lines &#8211; for whom RINO might well be a badge of honor, since Republican is no longer Conservative by any remote standard. <a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/cityofbrass/2009/10/nuevo-conservatism.html" rel="nofollow">I&#8217;ve got a list of a few right here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Phelps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phelps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 02:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now my own lol:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Conservative elitists will be clutching their chests when I dare list these names together, but Milton Friedman (Free to Choose), Henry Hazlitt (Economics in One Lesson), Friedrich Hayek (Road to Serfdom), and Thomas Paine (Common Sense) have a lot in common with Limbaugh and Beck.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/OpEd-Contributor/Brain-dead-conservatives-Are-conservative-elitists-brain-dead-63481997.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now my own lol:</p>
<blockquote><p>Conservative elitists will be clutching their chests when I dare list these names together, but Milton Friedman (Free to Choose), Henry Hazlitt (Economics in One Lesson), Friedrich Hayek (Road to Serfdom), and Thomas Paine (Common Sense) have a lot in common with Limbaugh and Beck.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/OpEd-Contributor/Brain-dead-conservatives-Are-conservative-elitists-brain-dead-63481997.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/OpEd-Contributor/Brain-dead-conservatives-Are-conservative-elitists-brain-dead-63481997.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Phelps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phelps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 02:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twitter version:

&lt;blockquote&gt;y r consrvs so dum?  10yrs ago they were gr8.  Beck &lt; WFB.  Hannity FTL.  Only answrs are jesus or market lol&lt;blockquote&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>y r consrvs so dum?  10yrs ago they were gr8.  Beck &lt; WFB.  Hannity FTL.  Only answrs are jesus or market lol<br />
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		<title>By: J1</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A movement once full of stellar intellectual thinkers is now dominated by the likes of Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck&quot;

Was the movement ever dominated by &quot;stellar intellectual thinkers&quot;?  I don&#039;t really recall a time when that was the case.  I&#039;m sure there are stellar intellectuals in the movement now, but they don&#039;t tend to be very effective politically, which is what we need at the moment.  I suspect your objection to the Limbaughs, etc, is at least as much an objection to style as intellect.  Do you think running our government based on the ideas of a leftist intellectual would be preferable to running the government based on the ideas of, say, Glenn Beck?  If so, why?   If not, then what practical difference does it make whether there are any stellar intellectuals involved?  For that matter, why is Beck not a &quot;stellar intellectual thinker&quot;?

You also seem to come from a basic premise that conservatives need to have a plan to &quot;do something&quot; when they take power.  Some of us believe restricting government to things it should be involved in, and ending it&#039;s involvement in those it shouldn&#039;t is &quot;doing something&quot;, as is blocking legislation that runs counter to that objective.    Do you think we need more laws?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A movement once full of stellar intellectual thinkers is now dominated by the likes of Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck&#8221;</p>
<p>Was the movement ever dominated by &#8220;stellar intellectual thinkers&#8221;?  I don&#8217;t really recall a time when that was the case.  I&#8217;m sure there are stellar intellectuals in the movement now, but they don&#8217;t tend to be very effective politically, which is what we need at the moment.  I suspect your objection to the Limbaughs, etc, is at least as much an objection to style as intellect.  Do you think running our government based on the ideas of a leftist intellectual would be preferable to running the government based on the ideas of, say, Glenn Beck?  If so, why?   If not, then what practical difference does it make whether there are any stellar intellectuals involved?  For that matter, why is Beck not a &#8220;stellar intellectual thinker&#8221;?</p>
<p>You also seem to come from a basic premise that conservatives need to have a plan to &#8220;do something&#8221; when they take power.  Some of us believe restricting government to things it should be involved in, and ending it&#8217;s involvement in those it shouldn&#8217;t is &#8220;doing something&#8221;, as is blocking legislation that runs counter to that objective.    Do you think we need more laws?</p>
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		<title>By: Classical Values</title>
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		<dc:creator>Classical Values</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Should I just ignore it in the hope that it goes away?...&lt;/strong&gt;

My biggest problem right now is that I can&#039;t stand Obama, but that has not translated into loving conservatism. Now, while that equation might not seem terribly problematic in itself, and it might even constitute remarking the obvious, there&#039;s an......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Should I just ignore it in the hope that it goes away?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>My biggest problem right now is that I can&#8217;t stand Obama, but that has not translated into loving conservatism. Now, while that equation might not seem terribly problematic in itself, and it might even constitute remarking the obvious, there&#8217;s an&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: deadrody</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see there are no examples to be given of the incoherent, inconsistent, anti-intellectual nature of conservatism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see there are no examples to be given of the incoherent, inconsistent, anti-intellectual nature of conservatism.</p>
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		<title>By: CosmicConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>CosmicConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Republicans can find a powerful conservative voice and prepare a coherent, common-sense plan which is easily communicated and resonates with most people&#039;s ideas of what government should be doing, then we would see how much &quot;muscle&quot; conservatism has. All this fretting and posturing about how &quot;intellectual&quot; the movement has become is pretty much the antithesis of common sense conservatism anyway. Real conservatism appeals not because it resonates in the halls of academia and satisfies some people&#039;s need to demonstrate their pseudo-intellectual bonafides, but because it appeals to main street.

There is &lt;i&gt;already&lt;/i&gt; an ideology that prides itself on it&#039;s appeal to pseudo-intellectual elites and sneering at Walmart shopping mainstream Americans. It&#039;s called &quot;liberalism.&quot; We don&#039;t need two of those, one of them is dismantling this country fast enough.

The &quot;Contract With America&quot; was a brilliant approach, and while I don&#039;t think it would work to duplicate it (not because it couldn&#039;t work, but because the media and the liberal &quot;intelligentsia&quot; would sneer that it was tried and failed) a new approach with the same fundamental approach but branded differently definitely could work.

... and I think that is probably precisely what Sarah Palin is trying to do. Good for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Republicans can find a powerful conservative voice and prepare a coherent, common-sense plan which is easily communicated and resonates with most people&#8217;s ideas of what government should be doing, then we would see how much &#8220;muscle&#8221; conservatism has. All this fretting and posturing about how &#8220;intellectual&#8221; the movement has become is pretty much the antithesis of common sense conservatism anyway. Real conservatism appeals not because it resonates in the halls of academia and satisfies some people&#8217;s need to demonstrate their pseudo-intellectual bonafides, but because it appeals to main street.</p>
<p>There is <i>already</i> an ideology that prides itself on it&#8217;s appeal to pseudo-intellectual elites and sneering at Walmart shopping mainstream Americans. It&#8217;s called &#8220;liberalism.&#8221; We don&#8217;t need two of those, one of them is dismantling this country fast enough.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Contract With America&#8221; was a brilliant approach, and while I don&#8217;t think it would work to duplicate it (not because it couldn&#8217;t work, but because the media and the liberal &#8220;intelligentsia&#8221; would sneer that it was tried and failed) a new approach with the same fundamental approach but branded differently definitely could work.</p>
<p>&#8230; and I think that is probably precisely what Sarah Palin is trying to do. Good for her.</p>
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		<title>By: TMLutas</title>
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		<dc:creator>TMLutas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 07:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One could spend a generation merely identifying the bottom 10% of government every year, and either eliminating it outright or reforming it so that it does its job better. You could spend an entire 4 year presidential term just to get the State Department functional. 

It really would take a generation to just pare down the rot. As a nice side effect, what is left would be much better government because it would be more understandable, more effective, and would be auditable because to survive, every program would have had to have passed multiple audits. 

There, simple, popular, completely consistent with both social conservative and economic conservative beliefs, and a generational goal. It really isn&#039;t that hard to create a popular conservative platform which can win elections and serve as a practical platform for running the government. 

The time for something like that to be unveiled is some time in 2010 as the election is gearing up. Right now is the time to try to slow down the damage that is coming fast and furious from Reid, Pelosi, and Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One could spend a generation merely identifying the bottom 10% of government every year, and either eliminating it outright or reforming it so that it does its job better. You could spend an entire 4 year presidential term just to get the State Department functional. </p>
<p>It really would take a generation to just pare down the rot. As a nice side effect, what is left would be much better government because it would be more understandable, more effective, and would be auditable because to survive, every program would have had to have passed multiple audits. </p>
<p>There, simple, popular, completely consistent with both social conservative and economic conservative beliefs, and a generational goal. It really isn&#8217;t that hard to create a popular conservative platform which can win elections and serve as a practical platform for running the government. </p>
<p>The time for something like that to be unveiled is some time in 2010 as the election is gearing up. Right now is the time to try to slow down the damage that is coming fast and furious from Reid, Pelosi, and Obama.</p>
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