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		<title>By: deadrody</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/11/04/gop-gains-a-very-good-night/#comment-179396</link>
		<dc:creator>deadrody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and nice with the condescending &quot;there needs to be a place in the national conversation for conservatives&quot;.  ROTFLMAO.  You silly liberals.  Thinking you are such a majority in the US that Republicans can only sit at the kids table for Thanksgiving.  What a joke.  If you actually read something that was not put out by Kos or MSNBC - sorry for the redundancy - you would know that only 20% of the country subscribes to your liberal fantasy.  That Obama was able to lie his way through an entire campaign pretending to be anything but the most liberal member of the US senate and the media wasn&#039;t completely in the tank and did nothing whatsoever to educate any of the public on what Obama really stands for - well if not for that, he wouldn&#039;t stand a chance with the 80% of the country that doesn&#039;t see the US the way you and Barack see it.  

But, not to worry, they see it now.  You are 100% mistaken to think Obama would win NJ right now.  He would be lucky to win Illinois.  And as we get closer and closer to the 2010 election, the liklihood of any of his progressive agenda passing - Cap and Tax, Obamacare, Card Check, etc. - will continue to shrink by the day.  And November 2010 will eventually roll around with not a single bit of his agenda having been enacted, with the economy still in shambles and double digit unemployment.  

Wow, quite the Liberal Democrat&#039;s rosy scenario there!  But hey, you keep on worrying about the Republicans and their &quot;party purity&quot; worries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and nice with the condescending &#8220;there needs to be a place in the national conversation for conservatives&#8221;.  ROTFLMAO.  You silly liberals.  Thinking you are such a majority in the US that Republicans can only sit at the kids table for Thanksgiving.  What a joke.  If you actually read something that was not put out by Kos or MSNBC &#8211; sorry for the redundancy &#8211; you would know that only 20% of the country subscribes to your liberal fantasy.  That Obama was able to lie his way through an entire campaign pretending to be anything but the most liberal member of the US senate and the media wasn&#8217;t completely in the tank and did nothing whatsoever to educate any of the public on what Obama really stands for &#8211; well if not for that, he wouldn&#8217;t stand a chance with the 80% of the country that doesn&#8217;t see the US the way you and Barack see it.  </p>
<p>But, not to worry, they see it now.  You are 100% mistaken to think Obama would win NJ right now.  He would be lucky to win Illinois.  And as we get closer and closer to the 2010 election, the liklihood of any of his progressive agenda passing &#8211; Cap and Tax, Obamacare, Card Check, etc. &#8211; will continue to shrink by the day.  And November 2010 will eventually roll around with not a single bit of his agenda having been enacted, with the economy still in shambles and double digit unemployment.  </p>
<p>Wow, quite the Liberal Democrat&#8217;s rosy scenario there!  But hey, you keep on worrying about the Republicans and their &#8220;party purity&#8221; worries.</p>
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		<title>By: deadrody</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/11/04/gop-gains-a-very-good-night/#comment-179395</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun, knock off the &quot;party purity&quot; nonsense.  Dede Scozzafava had NOTHING in common with conservatives or the run of the mill Republicans.  She endorsed the Democrat.  If that is the kind of liberal that is to be purges from the party then I am 100% in favor.  

And more to the point, guess what kind of candidate will be running in NY-23 for the Republican party next time from day one ?  A conservative that will trounce Owens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun, knock off the &#8220;party purity&#8221; nonsense.  Dede Scozzafava had NOTHING in common with conservatives or the run of the mill Republicans.  She endorsed the Democrat.  If that is the kind of liberal that is to be purges from the party then I am 100% in favor.  </p>
<p>And more to the point, guess what kind of candidate will be running in NY-23 for the Republican party next time from day one ?  A conservative that will trounce Owens.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin D.</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/11/04/gop-gains-a-very-good-night/#comment-179389</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun,

I&#039;ve been looking over your &quot;explanations&quot; of the losses in Virginia and New Jersey, and Hoffman&#039;s loss in New York and something funny occurred to me:

You&#039;re giving the &lt;i&gt;exact&lt;/i&gt; responses Rush Limbaugh said libs would yesterday.

I could almost set my watch by you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been looking over your &#8220;explanations&#8221; of the losses in Virginia and New Jersey, and Hoffman&#8217;s loss in New York and something funny occurred to me:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re giving the <i>exact</i> responses Rush Limbaugh said libs would yesterday.</p>
<p>I could almost set my watch by you!</p>
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		<title>By: shaun</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/11/04/gop-gains-a-very-good-night/#comment-179388</link>
		<dc:creator>shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The moral of the NY-23 story is this:

There needs to be a place in the national conversation for conservatives, but not the kind who demand party purity, don&#039;t even bother to try to understand what local voters care about, and excel only at empty sloganeering.

KD: Until you stop wrapping your precious widdle brain around these clowns or the sun starts coming up in the west, your &quot;victories&quot; will continue to be pyrrhic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The moral of the NY-23 story is this:</p>
<p>There needs to be a place in the national conversation for conservatives, but not the kind who demand party purity, don&#8217;t even bother to try to understand what local voters care about, and excel only at empty sloganeering.</p>
<p>KD: Until you stop wrapping your precious widdle brain around these clowns or the sun starts coming up in the west, your &#8220;victories&#8221; will continue to be pyrrhic.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin D.</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/11/04/gop-gains-a-very-good-night/#comment-179386</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aziz,

You&#039;re missing the point of the New Jersey race.  New Jersey is  consistent blue state.  The Messiah campaigned for the Democratic governor in a blue state and he lost.

The sheen is gone.  Obama is poison to anyone he endorses.  American&#039;s are done with the man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aziz,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re missing the point of the New Jersey race.  New Jersey is  consistent blue state.  The Messiah campaigned for the Democratic governor in a blue state and he lost.</p>
<p>The sheen is gone.  Obama is poison to anyone he endorses.  American&#8217;s are done with the man.</p>
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		<title>By: shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aziz;

What a dirty mind, young man!  Comedians have been throwing cream pies at people forever.  Not cherry pies or lemon pies.

You are welcome to read into Palin&#039;s political purity tests whatever you wish.  Her positives are sinking like a stone even among Republicans and while she has some remarkable powers, including an ability to unashamedly and repeatedly lie while never taking the blame for the wreckage that she creates in her wake, I think that an Alaskan blogger summed her up nicely in giving her the moniker of Our Lady of Perpetual Meddling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aziz;</p>
<p>What a dirty mind, young man!  Comedians have been throwing cream pies at people forever.  Not cherry pies or lemon pies.</p>
<p>You are welcome to read into Palin&#8217;s political purity tests whatever you wish.  Her positives are sinking like a stone even among Republicans and while she has some remarkable powers, including an ability to unashamedly and repeatedly lie while never taking the blame for the wreckage that she creates in her wake, I think that an Alaskan blogger summed her up nicely in giving her the moniker of Our Lady of Perpetual Meddling.</p>
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		<title>By: Aziz Poonawalla</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/11/04/gop-gains-a-very-good-night/#comment-179384</link>
		<dc:creator>Aziz Poonawalla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uh, Shaun, your use of the word &quot;cream pie&quot; is (unintentionally, I assume) disgusting here.  Palin isn&#039;t a fool and she is making political strategy like anyone else, so yeah a setback for her, but hardly the End. A little respect is more useful than underestimation.

As far as a &quot;good night&quot; for the GOP (whi Kevin just reminded us are NOT the same as conservatives) - some &lt;a href=&quot;http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2009/11/little-perspective-lets-see-republican.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;perspective&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
* A Republican might win by an eyelash in the gubernatorial race in New Jersey -- a state that&#039;s had Republican governors for 16 of the past 28 years.

* In Virginia, a Republican will almost certainly win the governor&#039;s race -- which means that the Virginia governor will be of the party opposite that of the president who was just elected ... just like the last eight governors of Virginia, each of whom was elected a year after a presidential election and none of whom was of the president&#039;s party.

* A Democrat is probably going to lose in New York&#039;s 23rd congressional district -- a district that&#039;s changed shape over the years, but has mostly not sent a Democrat to Congress since the 19th century.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

okay then. great job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uh, Shaun, your use of the word &#8220;cream pie&#8221; is (unintentionally, I assume) disgusting here.  Palin isn&#8217;t a fool and she is making political strategy like anyone else, so yeah a setback for her, but hardly the End. A little respect is more useful than underestimation.</p>
<p>As far as a &#8220;good night&#8221; for the GOP (whi Kevin just reminded us are NOT the same as conservatives) &#8211; some <a href="http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2009/11/little-perspective-lets-see-republican.html" rel="nofollow">perspective</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>
* A Republican might win by an eyelash in the gubernatorial race in New Jersey &#8212; a state that&#8217;s had Republican governors for 16 of the past 28 years.</p>
<p>* In Virginia, a Republican will almost certainly win the governor&#8217;s race &#8212; which means that the Virginia governor will be of the party opposite that of the president who was just elected &#8230; just like the last eight governors of Virginia, each of whom was elected a year after a presidential election and none of whom was of the president&#8217;s party.</p>
<p>* A Democrat is probably going to lose in New York&#8217;s 23rd congressional district &#8212; a district that&#8217;s changed shape over the years, but has mostly not sent a Democrat to Congress since the 19th century.
</p></blockquote>
<p>okay then. great job.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun,

&lt;a href=&quot;http://deanesmay.com/2009/11/04/conservatives-win-because-conservatives-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-179363&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;On Palin endorsing Hoffman and Hoffman losing&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;...the victory of Owens over Hoffman is a big cream pie to her smarmy face.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
On Obama campaigning for Corzine and Corzine losing:
&lt;blockquote&gt;...the guy in the White House has only tangential bearing on the outcome of gubernatorial contests...&lt;/blockquote&gt;
If you were any more transparent I&#039;d have you installed in my car to replace my chipped windshield.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun,</p>
<p><a href="http://deanesmay.com/2009/11/04/conservatives-win-because-conservatives-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-179363" rel="nofollow">On Palin endorsing Hoffman and Hoffman losing</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;the victory of Owens over Hoffman is a big cream pie to her smarmy face.</p></blockquote>
<p>On Obama campaigning for Corzine and Corzine losing:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;the guy in the White House has only tangential bearing on the outcome of gubernatorial contests&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>If you were any more transparent I&#8217;d have you installed in my car to replace my chipped windshield.</p>
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		<title>By: shaun</title>
		<link>http://deanesmay.com/2009/11/04/gop-gains-a-very-good-night/#comment-179382</link>
		<dc:creator>shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Close but no cigar, KD.

As anyone who has followed elections for an appreciable amount of time knows,  the guy in the White House has only tangential bearing on the outcome of gubernatorial contests and 2009 was no different than, say, 1989.

The election in New Jersey, a state with which I am very familiar, was a referendum on a deeply unpopular governor and not a president whom, if he ran for re-election tomorrow, would do just as well in the Garden State.

Corzine, who doesn&#039;t have a charismatic bone in his body, inherited a lot of problems and managed to make some of them worse.  Christie, who is only slightly more articulate, is a moderate in every sense of the word and out of step with the lunatic fringe that has taken over the national Republican Party.  The last two GOP gubernatorial candidates were substantially more conservative and they got crushed.  

It is not being rash to predict that he&#039;ll screw things up as badly as Corzine did.

Oh, and one other thing, KD: How many votes to Corzine and McDonnell have on health-care reform?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Close but no cigar, KD.</p>
<p>As anyone who has followed elections for an appreciable amount of time knows,  the guy in the White House has only tangential bearing on the outcome of gubernatorial contests and 2009 was no different than, say, 1989.</p>
<p>The election in New Jersey, a state with which I am very familiar, was a referendum on a deeply unpopular governor and not a president whom, if he ran for re-election tomorrow, would do just as well in the Garden State.</p>
<p>Corzine, who doesn&#8217;t have a charismatic bone in his body, inherited a lot of problems and managed to make some of them worse.  Christie, who is only slightly more articulate, is a moderate in every sense of the word and out of step with the lunatic fringe that has taken over the national Republican Party.  The last two GOP gubernatorial candidates were substantially more conservative and they got crushed.  </p>
<p>It is not being rash to predict that he&#8217;ll screw things up as badly as Corzine did.</p>
<p>Oh, and one other thing, KD: How many votes to Corzine and McDonnell have on health-care reform?</p>
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