How succinct. Yes basically. He believes HIV causes AIDS but you could severely reduce the number of infected by increasing nutrition, sanitation, and education in the poorer countries. He does not imply we should stop working on a vaccine or a cure for the virus, but that if you want to make the biggest dent in reducing the number of infected you need healthy people, and no one is working on this. That is because it would be humanitarian aid and not a new drug that a person can sell to make money. So we can guess this will probably not happen.

He also has the stance that HIV causes AIDS and that there are people who do not believe that it does and strong education is in order for these people.

Obviously you have ZERO interest in watching or hearing Dr. Montagnier expressing HIS views in THE context for which THEY were intended.

Montagnier’s Nobel Lecture of 7 December 2008. It is much more inclusive than the written report of the speech.

It’s here:

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/2008/montagnier-lecture.html

[chuckle] OK then.

In any case, certainly this much earlier speech you dug up makes it clear that that Montagnier believes that more than the virus is needed to contract AIDS, and that he further believes that a healthy immune system can survive multiple exposures to HIV and fight it off naturally.

Which would mean, amongst other things, we’ve iatrogenically killed countless people because we told them the virus always leads to AIDS and death, which it doesn’t.

Just by believing cofactors other than HIV are necessary, you’re admitting we killed people with chemotherapy they didn’t need. And just by accepting what Montagnier says, you’re admitting that we’re killing people by the millions in Africa now by giving them drugs instead of clean food and water.

Pyrrhic victory to say the least. I’d think that you’d be angry at this news. I sure am.

a few quotes from his official NOBEL lecture:

A last variability factor, whose importance has probably been overlooked, is oxidative stress … a cause of RNA and DNA mutations (before integration of the proviral DNA): highly reactive molecules derived from oxygen can oxidise the bases, particularly guanine or deoxyguanine, thus modifying their coding capacity or inducing a wrong replacement in repair.

A combination of these factors could explain both the intrinsic variability of the virus in the host during the long evolution of infection, and also the increasing variability of the circulating strains as the epidemic is spreading in various populations.

We can at least ACT on this variability by decreasing the viral multiplication rate inside the host by antiretroviral treatment and also by neutralising the oxidative stress.

At the biochemical level, we also showed that the lymphocyte population of asymptomatic patients (CD4+, CD8+, NK) displayed the biochemical signs of oxidative stress (excess of free radicals derived from oxygen): namely fast degradation of oxidised proteins, carbonylation of some of their amino acids (20). In the patients’ blood, we could detect a similar hyper-oxidation of
plasma lipids (21) and oxidisation of guanine.

In addition, bacterial and viral co-infectors can also induce oxidative stress. We studied the possibility that a “cold” persisting bacterial infection could coexist in HIV-infected patients.

These studies were initiated because we observed that in vitro co-infection of lymphocytes with some mycoplasma species (M. pirum, M. penetrans, M. fermentans) and HIV could greatly reinforce the cytopathic effect of the latter

Moreover, these small bacteria lack catalase, an enzyme able to convert hydrogen peroxide into water. Therefore they also generate oxidative stress and, furthermore, are activators of lymphocytes (23).

In summary, the pathophysiology of AIDS is complex. HIV is the MAIN cause, but could also be helped by accomplices and also have some indirect effects by wrongly activating the immune system through oxidative stress.

Oh never mind. If it brings intelligent people to accept the notion that hey, maybe giving a perfectly healthy person chemotherapy just because they test positive for the virus isn’t a good idea, then fine. Surely it is a middle ground. If it gets people to accept that we really need to be doing something about water and food first and foremost in Africa, so much the better.

And if it gets people to stop saying that perfectly qualified scientists and journalists who called for rethinking the paradigm are not “crackpots” and “flat earthers” and “denialists” (or even “murderers”) then that’s good by me too.

But let us not deny the obvious: the man is saying something radically at odds with practically everything we’ve been told for a quarter century.

Brent Leung: You talked about oxidative stress earlier. Is treating oxidative stress one of the best ways to deal with the African AIDS epidemic?

Luc Montagnier: I think it is one way to approach. To decrease the rate of transmission because I believe HIV, we can be exposed to HIV many times without being chronically infected. Our immune system will get rid of the virus within a few weeks, if you have a good immune system; and this is the problem also of Africa, of African people. Their nutrition is not very equilibrated, they are in oxidative stress, even if they are not infected with HIV. So their immune system doesn’t work well, already. So it’s prone, you know, it can allow HIV to get in and persist.

So there are many ways which are not the vaccine, – the magic name, the vaccine! – there are many ways to decrease the transmission just by simple measures of nutrition, giving antioxidants, proper antioxidants, hygiene measures, fighting the other infections. So they are not spectacular, but they could, you know, decrease very well the epidemic to the level they are in occidental countries, Western countries.

Brent Leung: So if you have a good immune system, then your body can naturally get rid of HIV?!

Luc Montagnier: Yes.

Brent Leung: Oh, interesting. Do you think we should have more of a push for antioxidants and things of that nature in Africa than antiretrovirals?

Montagnier: We should push for more you know a combination of measures, you know, antioxidants, nutrition advice, nutrition, fighting other infections, malaria, tuberculosis, parasites, worms, education of course, genital hygiene for women and men also, very simple measures, which are not very expensive but which could do a lot.

And this is actually my worry about the many spectacular action for the global funds to buy drugs and so on. and Bill gates and so on, for the vaccine. But you know those kind of measures are not very well funded, they’re not funded at all, or they are, you know, it really depends on the local government to take choice of this. But the local government they take advice of the scientific advisors from the (international?) XXXX institutions and they don’t get this kind of advice very often.
((Any reader who can fathom the incomprehensible word use by Montagnier at 2.48 min please advise – Ed.))

Brent Leung: There’s no money in nutrition, right? There’s no profit.

Luc Montagnier: There’s no profit, yes! Water is important, water is key.

Brent Leung: Now I think you said you were talking about if you have a built immune systemthat it is possible to get rid of HIV naturally. If you take a poor African who has been infected and you build up their immune system is it possible for them to also naturally get rid of it?

Luc Montagnier: I would think so.

Brent Leugn: OK. That’s an important, that’s an important point.

Luc Montagnier: It’s important knowledge which is completely neglected. You know, people always think of drugs and vaccine.

(grinning broadly) So this is a message which may be different from the other what you heard before, no?

Brent Leung: The closing?

Luc Montagnier (smiling): No, no, yes, my message is different from what you heard from Fauci or er..!

Brent Leung: Yes. It’s a little different.

Luc Montagnier (beaming and grinning widely): Little different!

–HB

Oh dear,

There’s a scientist out there that actually reads links.

I’m doomed.