American Culture

by Dean Esmay on January 17, 2010

in Racial Issues

Resolved: There are no black people in Africa. “Black” is a 100% American identity and culture/subculture, as American as hot dogs, baseball, and apple pie.

Discuss.

{ 7 comments }

1 Eric Rall January 17, 2010 at 10:24 pm

“Black” is shorthand for someone who has several of a bundle of noticable physical traits which tend to indicate significant sub-Saharan African ancestory, the most prominant being skin tone. In the US, blackness correlates with subculture enough that many people confuse the two, but the correlation is far from 100% and to the extent it does hold, it’s pretty much limited to the US.

The real question is how many African Americans there are in Africa. That is, does “African American” refer to Americans’ continent of origin, or it just a long-winded way of talking about skin color while pretending you aren’t. For that matter, can the descendant of north African Arabs or the descentant of white South Africans be accurately described as African American?

2 chad January 17, 2010 at 10:30 pm

I remember that newscaster that described Nelson Mandela as a great African American.

3 locomotivebreath1901 January 17, 2010 at 10:36 pm

Anthropology defines three major human divisions: Caucasian, Mongoloid and Negroid. God Almighty sees only one.

Negro means “black” in Spanish, Portuguese, and ancient Italian; all of these derive from the Latin niger (i.e., “black”).

So while race or color is an artificial human construct (one I contend Darwinism exacerbates ), the origin of “Black” is far from an American concept.

Personally, I think “Human” should suffice for all.

4 Dean Esmay January 17, 2010 at 11:29 pm

A problem we have with race–and it’s a subject that bugs most Americans–is that we don’t seem able to recognize that black America is both an absolute, indelible part of American culture and a very strong culture/subculture of its own. When you have people who have their own dielect, musical styles, modes of dress, even modes of worship, you HAVE a culture and an identity there, and so you can’t say that it’s always and everywhere an irrelevancy; it’s something quite real, like being Scottish is in the United Kingdom.

I have generally found that if you recognize that black culture is both real and legitimate, a lot of discomfort over discussing at least some race issues simply evaporates. Noticing a difference in body language, spoken language, habits, etc. isn’t racism, it’s just noticing what IS. There seems to be an inbuilt assumption that just noticing a difference must have some “racist” undertone but that’s nonsense; you cannot turn on a black radio station in any major metropolitan area and not notice that you’re tuning into a culture that is both uniquely American AND distinctly different from mainstream white culture.

The grand liberal vision is/was/has been that we see everybody equally in a “color blind” way, but one of our discomforts comes from the fact that this doesn’t always work.

I think a similar discomfiture is evident in the subject of feminism. Noticing a difference is not the same thing as forcing a difference or drawing conclusions about a person’s innate superiority or inferiority.

What I find is that black people actually tend to understand all this better than white people, because white people seem to have been trained over the last generation to be fearful that noticing a difference is going to get them tagged as racist, or, they actually get offended themselves and see things as racist that aren’t.

I don’t know if I’m explaining this very well…

5 Eric Rall January 18, 2010 at 12:06 am

The problem comes when you overgeneralize the correlation between race and culture. There is no doubt a distinct culture, seperate from the American mainstream, which many (perhaps most) black Americans partake in. Noticing that is by no means racist. But if you expect everyone with dark skin to speak and act in a certain way, then that *is* racist. I’m just trying to be clear that we’re talking about a culture that’s correlated with race, not declaring the race and the culture to be the same thing.

6 Dean Esmay January 18, 2010 at 12:26 am

Yes, the maddening linguistics are part of it. Because in truth, if you ask black people if there is a distinctly black culture, they will (usually) say there definitely, absolutely, overwhelmingly is. Some are hostile to it, some are proud but critical of it, some embrace it, some are fiercely proud of it, some are relatively (or even completely) indifferent to it, but whatever the attitude, “it” is there.

And what they call it, is black culture and black identity. Black music. Even sometimes black cuisine (e.g. “soul food” although old-school southern whites may tend to grumble that to them “soul food” is what they always just called “food”).

A big part of the tension white Americans can see and sometimes be baffled or tripped up by is when there are black people themselves who can’t get it together on all the who’s, whats, wheres, whens, and hows on all this. But the most easily baffled to me appear to be whites who embrace the “we’re all the same under the skin” mantra and then find themselves shocked to find black people who are only so interested in that, because for many (most?) black people, that strong, strong, STRONG sense of American black culture is an indelible part of their character and something they very much resent having people try to get them to change as part of a sort of liberal (or conservative) agenda to homogenize the country.

I honestly think we’re reaching a point where race relations are such that these discussions CAN take place, conservative whinging about the evils of multiculturalism notwithstanding. There is no more reason for a Louisiana Cajun or Bronx Italian or Los Angeles Indian to simply reject his cultural heritage in order to “be American.” Neither does any black American have to do that. The problem is, so many people have trouble dealing with the fact that “black” actually IS an identity and is NOT merely a genetic type. It IS a culture, and one that will not (and probably SHOULD NOT) just “go away” or become “irrelevant.” Irrelevant for some things, yes, but utterly irrelevant? Hell no.

Navigating these waters is tricky business though, no doubt about it, although if you ask me it seems to be getting easier all the time…

7 Mary Madigan January 19, 2010 at 12:35 pm

Since all of my relatives came to America after the 1920′s, I’ve always thought that the majority of blacks here are more ‘American’ than me. Black culture is part of the foundation of American culture.

But I don’t like to talk about race in general because those discussions always seem to end with someone getting angry. Which is why I admire the moviemakers and comedians who can tackle the subject and make people laugh. Something like ‘White Men Can’t Jump’ was so much better than ‘Crash’.

That’s why I’ve become such a fan of Russell Peters – his whole routine centers around race, and he makes fun of everyone without being too clumsy or self-effacing. I think a lot of comedians are trying to break away from the PC prison

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