• Buddy

    Yea, God must have sense of humor. CO legalizes pot. Twinkies, Ding Dongs, and HoHo’s are no more.

  • Scott

    By the looks of him Woody Harrelson has never eaten a Twinkie in his life.

    Anyhow, it tells you how extremist the Union movement has gotten in this country. At one time they would have worked with management for the good of the company, so they would have done things like ensure worker competence and even taken pay cuts in hard times (like a hike in the price of wheat). Now it’s all about the $$$ for the fat-cat union bosses and they’ve become a parasite that doesn’t mind killing the host.

  • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

    Ah yes, the all powerful union movement that’s had its collective bargaining rights (i.e. fundamental rights as human beings and Americans) steadily eroded, outright stripped, or unenforced for 30 years, that’s shrunk to a tiny portion of what it once was while everyday worker rights have eroded everywhere in the United States, where the status of the everyday citizen in the workplace is lower than at any time since the great depression, and where there are fewer union members than in about a hundred years, and where virtually all worthwhile jobs have been shipped overseas NOT because of poor worker performance but because of shitty government policies… you mean THAT extremist trade union movement?

    The extremist trade union movement that EXPECTS BUSINESSES TO HONOR THEIR CONTRACTS AND AGREEMENTS? That one?

    The trade union movement that has consistently given ground for two generations as it desperately tries to hold onto what few scraps it has left is ENTIRELY responsible for this mess because it doesn’t want to take it up the ass while fatcat management once again rides off with their golden parachutes on the backs of the people who ACTUALLY do the PRODUCTIVE work? (The lazy, selfish, easily replaced fatcat management that only works long hours because it loves power more than anything, the ones that idiotic right wingers consistently refer to as “our most productive citizens?” Fwahahahaha, it is to laugh.)

    And people wonder why I refuse to vote Republican anymore. It hurt more than a bit to vote Democrat this year, but it’s little things like this that reassure me I did the right thing, as dirty as it felt.

  • Scott

    Dean,

    Once you calm down from your ideological rant read this:

    http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/26/hostess-twinkies-bankrupt/

    I’m no defender of management (and, isn’t it odd that you’re attacking the owning Corporation which run by a Democrat CEO with strong ties to union star Dick Gephardt? Who abetted the deal?), they did their own screw ups. But, COME ON, heavy Byzantine union rules such as having TWO SEPARATE DRIVERS for brands made by the same companies? Just read and you will discover a the usual story, a management beaten-down by constant union demands to where they can’t make good decisions for the company and Union bosses making unreasonable demands.

    Oh, and check out the salaries of the fatcat union bosses. Now, we all know that that isn’t the end of the benefits they get. NY Penthouses and chauffeured vehicles usually go to the union bosses “offices” and aren’t counted as “compensation”.

    http://www.unionfacts.com/union/Bakery%2C_Confectionary%2C_Tobacco_Workers_%26_Grain_Millers

    I do feel for the workers in this, but they were screwed over by an extremist union management that didn’t give a flying fuck about their welfare so long as they could show other companies what happens when you mess with Big Union (which is supported unreasonably [card check, killing right-to-work laws?] by DC).

    I hope that there’s some cosmic justice and scumbag fatcat union bosses like this and that odious Trumka get mowed down by a bus.

  • jrogge

    It always the union or the company. It’s never EVER both. Hostess has been doing poorly for awhile. Yet the CEO gets a tripled salary. I don’t know about you but if I owned a company I wouldn’t triple the pay of someone doing a shitty job running it. All the people at the top decided to squeeze the money out of this company and take it to their bank accounts.

    Then on top of that, after being told that the company would have to close and liquidate if they took another strike, workers decided that they would rather have all or nothing.

    Poor management and inflexibility pretty much did this company in. However, since they are liquidating, I imagine someone will buy the factories and the brand and just continue making money off of the brand. I would not be surprised to see Twinkies back on the shelves.

  • Dishman

    Unions are corporations, too.

  • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

    Scott: Ideological rant? As opposed to turning a joke about Hostess Twinkies into an ideological rant about evil unions? How much longer are you guys going to ride that hobby horse, when there are almost no unions left with any power and when the right of workers to organize has been diluted to near-nonexistence for decades now?

    Jrogge: Yeah pretty much.

    Dishman: They are corporations indeed. They are meant to be a check on corporate power and to protect employees from excesses that time and experience has proven they will routinely do, not because people who go into management are inherently bad people per se (there are bad people everywhere) but because of the nature of the design of corporations as the government designed them.

    (Why do I keep saying that part about how government designed them? Because it did, and anyone who talks to me about “smaller government” who will not acknowledge that is someone I automatically am skeptical of when they tell me “smaller government” will fix everything and that corporations will have less power if government has less power–bzzt, wrong, they’ll have more.)

  • http://madisonforum.net/ Sandi

    How much longer are you guys going to ride that hobby horse, when there are almost no unions left with any power and when the right of workers to organize has been diluted to near-nonexistence for decades now?

    However: It appears that this union enough power to shut down Hostess.

    As a former union steward, your premiss is entirely wrong. The power of any particular union has nothing to do with unions in general. The overall strength of any union is in the determination of the members to strike if necessary.