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About the Pontiff

There are about 6 billion people in the world.

About 1 billion are Catholic and view this man as their spiritual leader on Earth. Think of it: about 1 in 6 people in the world.

Of the remaining 5 billion or so who are not Catholic, hundreds of millions are members of Christian churches such as the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox churches which view him as "first among equals" among their bishops, even though they don't grant him any special authority.

In the case of this particular pope, rabbis and even mullahs all over the Earth are praying for him.

There are, of course, those who consider him evil, or strongly disagree with some of what he says or believes. I don't consider him evil, although I do disagree with some of what he's stood for. But for myself, I will never be able to forget his steadfast opposition to international communism, and the crucial role he played in its downfall.

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Robert West (mail) (www):
In particular, the work he did before he became pope, in helping to keep the Catholic Church alive as a force in Poland, and in sheltering dissidents, was phenomenal.
4.1.2005 4:26pm
Scott Kirwin (mail) (www):
Agreed. He is one reason why The Wall came down, and was tough and principled throughout his life. While I disagree with him on many issues I respect him.
4.1.2005 4:27pm
M. Scott Eiland (mail):
I'm with you, Dean. I disagree with him on any number of issues, but he deserves to be remembered as one of the giants of the 20th Century for his adamantine stand against communism.
4.1.2005 4:41pm
Hank Barnes (mail):
The man survived Nazi occupation, then affirmatively contributed to the demise of the Soviet empire -- without even a rifle.

A remarkable life.


Barnes
4.1.2005 4:52pm
Jay Solo (mail) (www):
You wrote more or less the post I had partially composed in my mind to mark his passing.
4.1.2005 6:16pm
Dave Schuler (mail) (www):
I'm one of those 1 billion Catholics and even I don't agree with him on everything (we're not required to, you know). I think he missed an opportunity to enlarge the role of women in the Church.

But he's a remarkable man and has had a remarkable influence on our world and on the Church. 97% of the cardinals who will elect his successor were appointed by John Paul II. His influence will be felt far, far into the future.
4.1.2005 7:30pm
Andrew Ian Dodge (mail) (www):
I agree Dean...I do not think him evil...though some of the policies the Church he leads pursues are. He did a great deal of until the wall came down, then things went downhill.
4.1.2005 8:08pm
jane m:
This Pope is an man of conscience and principle. He advocated for his principles and the truth as he knew it. I would expect no less from any Pope or leader of any other religion but John Paul II exemplified his convictions in an all too rare steadfastness.

Throughout his life, he displayed great courage and publically opposed many popular societal changes in moral standards. I do not believe that his policies brought the RCC to a downhill slide, rather he elevated it on many levels by standing by the Biblical principles he was entrusted to guard.
4.1.2005 8:28pm
Gary R (mail) (www):
I am always going to think of him as The Pope, with no name or numeral necessary. I was 15 when he became Pope. I barely noticed his precessors, though My one Grandmother was Catholic.

I think he is going to go down as one of the truly great ones, with Paul, Leo, and Gregory.
4.1.2005 8:55pm
Dave (mail) (www):
For all my life, John Paul II has been "The Pope".

No matter who his successor is, no matter what his successor does, I'll probably always think of that successor as "That new guy."

(And I'm no Catholic, either. But I have nothing but the utmost respect for what the man has, I feel personally, brought about through his stand against Communism. As much a giant as Ronald Reagan.)
4.1.2005 9:15pm
Robert West (mail) (www):
More of a giant than Reagan. Archbishop Wojty[l]a lived and worked in Poland and risked his life to preserve the freedom and integrity of the church. He stood up to the totalitarian state *from within* and won. Very, very few have had that courage.

He stands next to Gandhi in my book.

4.1.2005 10:23pm
Dave (mail) (www):
I'd put him above Ghandi. Ghandi's methods worked because of the British. JP2-before-he-was-JP2 (Wojtlya? However you spell it) - anyway, his methods worked despite the Soviets.

If the Soviets had been the ones running India, Ghandi would have died a quick and violent death.
4.2.2005 12:27am
Andrew Ian Dodge (mail) (www):
This Pope is an man of conscience and principle.

Whose Church covered up pedophilic abuse in its ranks and through its policy on condoms in Africa condeming millions to a slow painful death by AIDS.
4.2.2005 5:41am
Kevin D:
As Dean has made clear, how can we know that those "millions" actually had AIDS to begin with? Dean has shown evidence to suggest that a lot of those deaths, or indeed cases of AIDS period, may not have been AIDS at all but far more common ailments considering the living conditions of the region.

And I seriously doubt the Pope had any sayso in the pedophilic cover-ups. I'd be surprised if he was even aware of the scale of it all.
4.2.2005 6:39am
Mike "Veeshir" Fisher (mail):
I think this pope was a great man in the fight against communism.
I'm less thrilled with his various stands where sex was involved.

I will revere him for his aid in bringing about the downfall of Soviet communism. I don't want to rank them, but I agree that Ghandi succeeded because he was messing with the Brits. John Paul II worked against one of the most murderous regimes ever and won.

Also, as the first Polish pope he kept my Catholic HS well supplied with Polish pope jokes.

Did you know that his first miracle was to make a blind man lame?
4.2.2005 7:32am
jane m:
I cannot believe that Pope John II, himself, was complicit in covering up pedophilia among his priests which seems to me to be more of an American Bishop's conspiracy although I'm not informed on the scope of this problem in Europe. Here in the US, the church is on the brink of bancruptcy in many regions due to dealing with its problem which by the way is not confined to the Catholic church by any means (speaking as a Protestant)
4.2.2005 12:41pm
Robert West (mail) (www):
Archbishop Wojty[l]a worked against the Polish regime, not the Soviet regime. Except for a brief period immediately after the war (eg, except for while Stalin was alive), the Eastern European regimes were given much more latitude by the Soviet regime than we tend to give them credit for, and the Polish government was never suppressed by the Soviets the way the Czech and Hungarian one was.

In fact, their army overthrew their government in order to prevent the Soviets from invading.

So it's a bit of an exaggeration to say that he took on one of the most murderous regimes the world has ever known, because while that may be an apt description of the Soviet Union, it isn't an apt depiction of the Polish communist state.

Archibishop Wojty[l]a was gambling that the Polish state was afraid of the power of the Church - the hold it had over the imagination of the people - and that, if it suppressed the Church, the thin veneer that it maintained of acting in the people's interest would be shattered. His gamble succeeded. The same gamble, run in Soviet Russia, would have failed.
4.2.2005 12:47pm
Mike "Veeshir" Fisher (mail):
The reason I said Soviets is because, ultimately, they were in charge in all Warsaw Pact countries. They might not officially have been the rulers but they were in charge, In fighting the Polish commies he was fighting the Soviets.
If he was not fighting the Russians, why have we seen reports of the Soviets trying to kill him?

Just ask the Hungarians if fighting their regime meant fighting the Soviets. Or the Afghans.
4.2.2005 5:01pm
Andrew Ian Dodge (mail) (www):
I do not doubt that what he did in Poland was very brave and worthwhile. Just wish the last 10-15 years of his papacy were not so sullied.
4.2.2005 6:35pm